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Falsified Resume Forces Resignation of MIT Dean

  1. Apr 27, 2007 #1

    Ivan Seeking

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    http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=9870469

    It is hard to imagine that someone could pull this off at MIT. One would think that someone would have noticed something.
     
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  3. Apr 27, 2007 #2

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    She worked there for 28 years. Not only did she con her way into the job, but she made a career out of it. Wow................

    I have no idea how she got away with it for so long......does MIT not do some kind of checks with resumes??
     
  4. Apr 28, 2007 #3
    It seems she doesn't even have an undergraduate degree. Maybe it wasn't a requirement when she joined the institute. Anyhow, it is amazing that she evaded her true academic background for nearly 3 decades. :smile:
     
  5. Apr 28, 2007 #4
    Doesnt this show you that a degree isnt so so so relevant to the skills it needs to perform a job for 23 years.

    Go on her, American dream and all that :smile:
     
  6. Apr 28, 2007 #5

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    Wow, now that is a classical fallacious argument. I believe it is called arguing from the specific to the general. You simply cannot make that generalization based on the given information. Well at least anyone who cares about logical development, can't.
     
  7. Apr 28, 2007 #6

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    Amazing that this could happen at MIT. I work at a community college, and if a new hire's transcripts aren't in within 60 days of starting work, paychecks get withheld. I can't believe that we have a smarter system in place than MIT does. Dummies. :biggrin:
     
  8. Apr 30, 2007 #7

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    I wonder how it came to light? Did someone run a background check? If so why?
     
  9. Apr 30, 2007 #8

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    The person in question is co-authoring a book, "Less Stress, More Success: A New Approach to Guiding Your Teen Through College Admissions and Beyond," with Dr. Kenneth Ginsburg, an associate professor of pediatrics at the University of Pennsylvania School of Medicine.

    http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/04/26/america/web0426-mit.php

    I don't condone what she did and she has paid a price for that. On the other hand, she was apparently quite successful, and I tend to agree with her position on college admissions.

    Other than mentioning that she doesn't have degrees, I have not read how it is that this came to light. Apparently there was an investigation into her credentials.

    http://slashdot.org/articles/07/04/28/1929251.shtml

    http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/americas/04/27/mit.dean/index.html
     
  10. Apr 30, 2007 #9

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    No, she hasnt. MIT should sue her for the wages she has received adjusted by degree-based vs non-degree based salary. This is a fraud not only from the private organization's perspective but also collectively from all the students that have been denied admission solely by her signature.

    How would you like to go to your doctor's office for 10 years, be diagnosed with bipolar syndrome, prescribed bunch of medications (lets go with Depakote for bipolar disorder) - lose hair as a direct result of that medication and have a severe impact of such hair loss on your sex appeal, your job promotions, and overall your mental state? On top of that to find out that the doctor is not really a doctor but a guy who dropped out of High School and came up with a clever plan.

     
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  11. Apr 30, 2007 #10

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    She had to resign and her reputation is tarnished, not to mention the humiliation.

    Marilee Jones did not start out as Dean of Admissions. Ostensibly, she worked up to that position. Presumably, she was one of many considered and got the job as Dean, not based on degree, but the 18 years of prior performance.

    I am not sure I'd agree with the doctor analogy, since I tend to investigate things like medications. I don't think anyone has challenged her competence - just her integrity.

    As I mentioned, I do not condone her behavior.
     
  12. Apr 30, 2007 #11
    cronxeh,

    Apparently she was doing her job well, though. If anything, this shows that degrees are not what are important for a job such as this.
     
  13. Apr 30, 2007 #12

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    I saw a poll on Sky News a while ago wherein around 20% of professional people admitted to falsifying or seriously exagerating their qualifications and/or their experience in order to gain a position. It struck me at the time how little verification seems to be done at the interview stage.

    Following Marilee Jones' high profile exposure I wouldn't be surprised to see a rush of such incidents as other institutions perform background checks on their staff.

    Edit found a link related to it
    http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30400-13546059,00.html

    There have been several high profile cases of fraud in the national health service in the UK e.g.
    and
     
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  14. Apr 30, 2007 #13

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    Such a shame, she's obviously very qualified and seems truly devoted to her job.
     
  15. Apr 30, 2007 #14
    I agree that one shouldn't falsify one's CV.... but I also have concern about the environment in which she felt forced to do so... as stated, she has been "an outspoken critic of the pressures young people face to build impressive resumes." Perhaps given her record of sucess, she should have been more of a chance to explain herself, issue an apology, and have some lesser reprimand take place. Would MIT expel a student for lying about some extracurricular leadership?
     
  16. Apr 30, 2007 #15
    Just an FYI. In this case it's quite a bit more than falsification of some arcane detail on a resume or CV. In this case she lied about having an undergraduate and medical degree. She claimed to have attended two undergraduate institutions, and one medical college. It turns out that one of the undergraduate instititions has a record of her taking some classes as a non-matriculated student, but never completing a degree program. The other undergraduate school, and the medical college, don't have any record of her at all.
     
  17. Apr 30, 2007 #16
    Intergral,
    for it to be a classical fallacious argument, I should have been meaning to deceive you, which is not the case at all. I cant quiet understand how it is a logical fallacy either. Generalizing is just that, it doesnt go hand in hand with an error in logic.


    The point I was trying to make is that this is an example where the lack of a degree did not get in the way of her being able to adequately (more than adequately?) perform her function for 23 years. Which does show that degree's are not so important to performing a function, in this case.

    Now to enforce that, and widen the argument in my industry most of the people I work with have a vast array of differing degrees, most of which are not in IT, however that is the area I work in. Some of the best Engineers in fact dont have any degree. There lack of IT degree's doesnt hamper them being good at their job.
     
  18. May 1, 2007 #17

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    As someone who lives and drives in NYC everyday, I can tell you why this sort of thing really bothers me. Imagine 3 car lanes, and only the right one can (according to the traffic signs) exit into the highway. You are in that lane, slowly progressing forward, waiting your turn just like a car behind you and in front of you to exit and proceed onto your destination. You've paid your dues and by all probabilities and laws of society and physics you are sure to get off after 10 or so cars in front of you do so. Now the NYC reality: every M**F*** on the middle and left lane tries to cut you off and merge into the right lane creating a traffic situation, the entire right lane you are in now comes to a hault and the serene order is disrupted. You are now forced to deal with the queuing theory and your exit time has been considerable increased. You are MAD AS HELL because the just system doesnt work. Its anarchy.

    Tell me - why should someone who was 2 minutes behind you now be ahead of you just because they break a rule and cause delays for others? This woman is no better - and if she was 'good' at her job imagine how much better someone else would've been who was meant for that job. Someone more qualified, who would've had a BETTER outcome for MIT in the long run. Remember that just because someone is good doesnt mean they are the best. And it certainly doesnt mean that they are not in fact the worst. This woman could in fact be THE worst person for this particular job. Hell, what if I had her job - I guarantee you I would've done a better job - yet I dont want that job, but I'm sure there are those who are more deserving and would be more fit for the job and this is not a grocery shop we are talking about... *puts on 300 "this is Sparta!!" mood * -- THIS IS MIT! The god damned BEST (supposedly) institution in these United States. Who does she think she is to tamper with such noble causes as highest education? Why, this woman could've single handedly screwed this entire country with her blatant disregard for idealistic principles and lies and deceits she used to get her ways.

    I despise people like her.
     
  19. May 1, 2007 #18

    Evo

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    Actually she was outstanding in this job and recognized quite highly for it. So much for your rant. You should check things out before you make wild, baseless accusations, I'm surprised at you cronxeh.

    http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/americas/04/27/mit.dean/index.html
     
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  20. May 1, 2007 #19
    Well, she shouldn't have lied 28 years ago, true. But given her outstanding performance, i am quite surprise that MIT is not gracious enough to settle it all with a resignation, but to the extend of suing her for her wages? Unsympathetic people.
     
  21. May 1, 2007 #20

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    http://www.dailyadvance.com/nation/content/shared-gen/ap/National/MIT_Dean.html

    I don't believe MIT is planning on suing Ms. Jones for her wages - unless I missed something. If that were the case, then MIT would have to consider refunding all tuition based on their inability to appropriately screen administration and faculty. :biggrin:

    And MIT is not necessarily the best in all areas - although they and others might like to think so.

    I've actually seen better at other places in certain areas.
     
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