Family Kicked Off Air Tran Flight For Toddler's Temper Tantrum

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Sounds like they have a seriously spoiled brat. If the kid was "crawling around under the seat and hitting the parents" and the plane had already been delayed 15 minutes, it's time to get them off the plane. Most people have connections they have to make to other flights, delaying the plane any further could have caused the other passengers serious problems.
 
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Sounds like they have a seriously spoiled brat. If the kid was "crawling around under the seat and hitting the parents" and the plane had already been delayed 15 minutes, it's time to get them off the plane. Most people have connections they have to make to other flights, delaying the plane any further could have caused the other passengers serious problems.

I agree they should have been kicked off. Maybe they will seek some parenting classes or call Super Nanny for help. I doubt it though.....
 
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112 passengers * 15 minutes = 1680 people-minutes = 28 people-hours of delay. That's a heck of a lot of suffering, and only furthers my ongoing cause, for a total ban of toddlers and rattlesnakes on airplanes.
 
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Ya know, I was all set to say that it is tough to know how bad it was without seeing it, but dang, it is tough to argue with that math!
 
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That's a heck of a lot of suffering, and only furthers my ongoing cause, for a total ban of toddlers and rattlesnakes on airplanes.
:rofl: That reminds me of what we (a student and I) did on the last trip to a conference. We had a poster tube to carry with all the posters for the lab, and for some reason, seemed to keep getting bugged by small children about what was in the tube. So, we started telling them our pet snake was in the tube. :biggrin: You should've seen the expression on the kids' faces when we told them that. :bugeye:

And, I completely agree with Evo, that these parents definitely are raising a spoiled brat if they can't get the kid under control after 15 minutes of delay, and are still complaining they needed more time to "comfort" the child. Comfort the child AFTER you have her plunked into that seat and belted in. At least the passengers didn't have to listen to her screaming for the entire flight, because that much fuss over just sitting in her seat and wearing a seatbelt would indicate that there would be equal fuss over everything else. I don't even understand how it's so difficult to get a kid into a seatbelt in this day and age...every kid under 5 or 6 has to ride in a car with a carseat, so they should be completely used to this routine by 3.
 
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It seems the family was adequately compensated for being removed, the father saying they would never fly on AirTran again just comes across as silly.
 
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It seems the family was adequately compensated for being removed, the father saying they would never fly on AirTran again just comes across as silly.
Yeah, they were pretty much rewarded with free tickets for letting their kid act up. I hope that doesn't catch on. But, hey, if families with bratty kids don't want to fly AirTran, fine with me...I'll start flying them more often. :wink:

I have to wonder how long TOTAL this kid was throwing her tantrum for, since families with small children are usually allowed to board first to give them time to settle the kids in before the plane is full of other people. Even on a small AirTran plane, they usually get the pre-boarding done about 5 min before the other passengers board, another 10 or 15 min for the boarding, yet this carrying on continued long enough to delay the plane 15 min?
 
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Sounds like the airline was completely right to throw them off the flight. I hate going places like a nice restaurant, movie...ect and having to listen to bratty kids throw tantrums the entire time. If I had done that when I was young I would have been smacked, and rightly so.
 
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Sounds like the airline was completely right to throw them off the flight. I hate going places like a nice restaurant, movie...ect and having to listen to bratty kids throw tantrums the entire time. If I had done that when I was young I would have been smacked, and rightly so.
I would have had it even worse...my mom would have been the one dragging me off the plane and the vacation would have been cancelled.

I only remember my sister throwing a tantrum once in a store (I guess I was too young when I tried it to remember), and that was the first and last time it happened. She started, and mom told her if she continued carrying on, she would be carried out of the store with everyone watching and would be taken right back home...no getting whatever it was she was crying she wanted, and no getting anything else either. And Mom sure did keep her word. :eek: That's all it takes, one walk of shame out of the store while tucked under mom's arm and a quick termination of going out shopping with mom. Misbehaving out in public was simply not an option for us. Oh, and if we spotted another kid misbehaving and wanted to know why we couldn't do the same thing, mom had the answer nobody could argue with..."Obviously that kid's mom doesn't love him/her as much as I love you, because she's letting them turn into a bad kid nobody will like when they get older." :bugeye: How do you argue with that?
 
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I would have had it even worse...my mom would have been the one dragging me off the plane and the vacation would have been cancelled.
Haha my parents would have done the same thing. I'd have been dragged off that plane so fast my head spun....then I'd have gotten a good 'licken' out in the parking lot. Good thing I knew better. I remember seeing a kid throw a fit in a store one time and I asked my mom if I was ever that bad in public....and she was like nope you knew better than to pull stunts like that.
 
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Open the door at 37,000 feet. The brat will be sucked out and weeeeeeeeee SPLAT. Problem sovled.
 
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It worked in james bond, and gold finger was really fat.
 
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WHen we took our son Simon on his first long flight, he was 1-1/2 years old, and at that cranky, teething age. We were so anxious about how he would handle the flight we even brought along some drugs (just benedryl, actually). When we asked a doctor about how much this little guy should be given, the doctor was aghast that we would consider medicating our son just for convenience.

Luckily it was a non-issue; he slept after only 5 minutes of whining. Otherwise, either way, we were headed for a cross-country guilt-trip.
 
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I'm not too sure about that "spoiled brat" theory. My kids were very easy going and pleasant almost all of the time. They rarely went into tantrums. But when they did, there was no way to predict it was coming and no way to calm them down once it did. Patience, when patience was hard to evoke, was the only cure. I would take the tantrummer out of the hearing of other people while my wife and the other kid sat and finished what they were doing. It could take 15 or 20 minutes to calm down. Threats, punishements, rewards and begging had no effect on this time period.

As for kicking the family off the plane, this is extreme. Tantrums rarely last very long. Perhaps there were passengers who were complaining, but I have never seen that happen myself.
 
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I'm not too sure about that "spoiled brat" theory. My kids were very easy going and pleasant almost all of the time. They rarely went into tantrums. But when they did, there was no way to predict it was coming and no way to calm them down once it did. Patience, when patience was hard to evoke, was the only cure. I would take the tantrummer out of the hearing of other people while my wife and the other kid sat and finished what they were doing. It could take 15 or 20 minutes to calm down. Threats, punishements, rewards and begging had no effect on this time period.

As for kicking the family off the plane, this is extreme. Tantrums rarely last very long. Perhaps there were passengers who were complaining, but I have never seen that happen myself.
Whaaa? What ever happened to hitting your kid when they misbehave. Smack them in the bottom and then tell them to stop crying or they will get another smack. Tantrum over.
 
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As for kicking the family off the plane, this is extreme. Tantrums rarely last very long. Perhaps there were passengers who were complaining, but I have never seen that happen myself.
They were delaying take-off because they weren't getting the kid into her seat! If she's going to scream, fine, but pick her up and put her in the seat and strap the seatbelt around her so the plane can get moving. If the kid is small enough to climb under the seat of a plane, she's small enough to be lifted up by an adult and sat in her seat, whether she is happy about it or not.
 
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WHen we took our son Simon on his first long flight, he was 1-1/2 years old, and at that cranky, teething age. We were so anxious about how he would handle the flight we even brought along some drugs (just benedryl, actually).
Our kids had motion sickness problems when they were little. To counteract this, we would give them Dramamine at the onset of a long trip. Our pediatrician told us how to reduce the adult dose to little kid size. Dramamine is very similar to Benadryl: They both induce drowsiness. Not only was the car clean, it was also quiet.
 
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Whaaa? What ever happened to hitting your kid when they misbehave. Smack them in the bottom and then tell them to stop crying or they will get another smack. Tantrum over.
My bad, I misspelled punishment. I speak from experience, it didn't work. It's not working for Bush either, but I had the sense not to go to surge.
 
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My Dad always said he was an expert on child rearing until he had children of his own.......
 
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112 passengers * 15 minutes = 1680 people-minutes = 28 people-hours of delay. That's a heck of a lot of suffering, and only furthers my ongoing cause, for a total ban of toddlers and rattlesnakes on airplanes.
From the item as reported, I think that the airline was in the right. I would like to point out, however, that the article doesn't specify why the flight had already been delayed by 15 minutes; it might have had nothing to do with the kid and the tantrum had barely gotten started. Still, a further delay would be unacceptable, and no one would want to listen to a squalling brat even if she did get buckled in.
 
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When I flew to california the airplane was packed with little kids. There was one little girl infront of me who was about 2. She had nice big blue eyes and was waiving to everyone. She was a great passenger the whole way. The only time another girl started crying was the one sitting behind me because she had to go pee and we were about to land, so being young I can understand her wanting to cry. Landing takes about 20 mins and your suck in your seat until the airplane comes to a stop at the gate.
 
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I agree with strapping her in her seat and "Let's go!"

The screaming and crying while in the seat can be endured for a few minutes and the stronger the tantrum, the more likely the kid will exhaust herself and fall asleep, especially at the oxygen level planes use while in flight.

Missing a connecting flight while waiting out a kid's tantrum just won't work.
 

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