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A standing fan is blowing air when we are right in front of it but we noticed there are dirts on the back of the fan. So, at the front, a standing fan pushes air and from the back the fan is sucking. Is this correct? If it does, why?
 
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Yes. Where else would it get the air to push at you except from behind it?
 
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johnthekid said:
A standing fan is blowing air when we are right in front of it but we noticed there are dirts on the back of the fan. So, at the front, a standing fan pushes air and from the back the fan is sucking. Is this correct?
Yes.
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If it does, why?
I'm not sure what sort of answer you're looking for with that question. The blades are curved to force air to move in a preferred direction.
 
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Ibix said:
Yes. Where else would it get the air to push at you except from behind it?

russ_watters said:
Yes.

I'm not sure what sort of answer you're looking for with that question. The blades are curved to force air to move in a preferred direction.

Sorry, I don't really get the mechanism of fans so I was curious at first. Thank you for these responses.
 
Fans also compress air but not at the same level as specialized air compressors, is that so?
 
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Fans also compress air but not at the same level as specialized air compressors, is that so?
Yes, though for your typical desk or central air conditioning fan the air can be considered incompressible for calculation purposes. The key similarity then is that they both move air by creating a pressure difference from one side to the other (yes, it's a contradiction to say you can create a pressure difference without compression, but it is ignored because it doesn't affect the calculations).
 
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I don't really get the mechanism of fans so I was curious at first.
Cheaper fans use flat blades at an angle. Better fans use airfoils at an angle (like a propeller). Here is a good PF Insights article that may give you more of a feeling for how air moves around a fan/propeller and why the airflow over the back surface is slower/lower pressure (and may lead to more dust accumulation): https://www.physicsforums.com/insights/airplane-wing-work-primer-lift/
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A standing fan is blowing air when we are right in front of it but we noticed there are dirts on the back of the fan.
berkeman said:
the airflow over the back surface is slower/lower pressure (and may lead to more dust accumulation)
The OP seems to describe the opposite observation: More dust on the side with faster flow / lower pressure. This is also consistent with my observations on PC case fans.

My intuitive idea was always that there is more turbulence / acceleration of air on the faster flow side, so the dust falls out in certain flow pockets. The dust distribution is not uniform, but has very specific patterns.

The internet also mentions different amounts of static electricity due to the different flow dynamics. But I'm not sure about that.
 
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A.T. said:
The OP seems to describe the opposite observation: More dust on the side with faster flow / lower pressure. This is also consistent with my observations on PC case fans.

My intuitive idea was always that there is more turbulence / acceleration of air on the faster flow side, so the dust falls out in certain flow pockets. The dust distribution is not uniform, bus has very specific patterns.

The internet also mentions different amounts of static electricity due to the different flow dynamics. But I'm not sure about that.

Right. I was slightly confused.
 
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johnthekid said:
A standing fan is blowing air when we are right in front of it but we noticed there are dirts on the back of the fan. So, at the front, a standing fan pushes air and from the back the fan is sucking. Is this correct? If it does, why?
The blades of any type of fan transfer kinetic energy into the mass of gas that is surrounding them.
That energy is observable as difference of velocity and static pressure between upstream and downstream of each blade.

Please, see:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fan_(machine)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axial_fan_design
 
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A.T. said:
The OP seems to describe the opposite observation: More dust on the side with faster flow / lower pressure. This is also consistent with my observations on PC case fans.
johnthekid said:
Right. I was slightly confused.

Ah, got it. Well, I just checked our portable fan (which has flat blades) and indeed the dust accumulation is on the front of the fan, not the back. It must be due to impacting the air on the front side where the air is pushed away from the fan.
 
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Referring to the front and back can be confusing because it depends on how you look at it. Maybe refer to the air inlet and outlet, the inlet side of the blade and the outlet side of the blade.
Dust accumulates faster on the outlet side of the blade, because, as it pushes the air through the outlet, that side of the blade is hitting particles suspended in the air.
 
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A.T. said:
More dust on the side with faster flow / lower pressure. This is also consistent with my observations on PC case fans.

My intuitive idea was always that there is more turbulence / acceleration of air on the faster flow side, so the dust falls out in certain flow pockets. The dust distribution is not uniform, but has very specific patterns.
I opened my PC case and checked it again: Contrary to what I wrote above there is more dust on the side with slower flow / higher pressure, but the dust is more uniformly distributed here, so it doesn't stand out visually.

The dust on the side with faster flow / lower pressure is mostly near the blade tips (which are moving fastest), right behind the leading edge. Hence my idea about turbulence / acceleration causing deposition there.
 
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Baluncore said:
Referring to the front and back can be confusing because it depends on how you look at it. Maybe refer to the air inlet and outlet, the inlet side of the blade and the outlet side of the blade.
Dust accumulates faster on the outlet side of the blade, because, as it pushes the air through the outlet, that side of the blade is hitting particles suspended in the air.
Just checked my fan, there are dust on the blades back and front and also on the air outlet (front) and inlet (back). Basically almost every parts of the fan. Its just for some reasons there are slightly a bit more dust on my fan's air inlet, including the motor area, than on the air outlet. So, dust are both sucked and blown away when the fan is operating. My initial thought is that dust are only sucked from behind when the fan is working.
 

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