Fan is pushing in the front and sucking from the back

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the operation of a standing fan, specifically addressing whether it pushes air from the front and sucks air from the back. Participants explore the mechanics of fan operation, air movement, and dust accumulation patterns related to airflow.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that a standing fan pushes air from the front and draws air from the back, questioning the mechanism behind this operation.
  • Others argue that the fan creates a lower pressure at the back, which allows atmospheric pressure to push air into that region, rather than actively sucking air.
  • There are discussions about the design of fan blades, with some noting that curved blades force air in a preferred direction.
  • Participants mention that fans can compress air, but not to the extent of specialized compressors, and that for typical fans, air can be treated as incompressible for calculations.
  • Dust accumulation patterns are debated, with some noting that dust tends to accumulate on the outlet side of the blades due to airflow dynamics, while others observe more dust on the inlet side.
  • Some participants express confusion regarding the terminology of "sucking" versus "lower pressure" and whether they are semantically different.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is no consensus on whether the fan actively sucks air from the back or if it is simply a result of lower pressure. Multiple competing views remain regarding the mechanics of airflow and dust accumulation.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the terminology used to describe airflow can lead to confusion, and there are varying observations regarding dust patterns on different types of fans.

  • #31
renormalize said:
@Herman Trivilino, do you disagree with the illustration? It clearly depicts the fluid to be flowing through the ear tube in order to reach the ear canal.
Well, it's not an illustration of a tympanostomy tube being used in a way that's consistent with my understanding of the situation. Perhaps I've got it all wrong but I'm under the impression that air flows into the ear from the atmosphere through that tube.

Maybe my example is a poor choice. It was meant to illustrate the same principle as a drinking straw or a vacuum cleaner. These devices rely on atmospheric pressure to push a fluid through a tube. Without the atmosphere to do the pushing you could suck as hard as possible on the other end of the tube and no fluid would flow. The mechanism responsible for the functioning of these devices is the push from the atmosphere, not a pull from the other end of the tube.

This is the way their function is described in every college-level introductory physics textbook that describes them.
 
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  • #32
Herman Trivilino said:
Without the atmosphere to do the pushing you could suck as hard as possible on the other end of the tube and no fluid would flow.
It depends on what you mean by 'suck'.

Trees can pull water much higher than the 10m it gets pushed up by atmosphere. And most of the upwards force to achieve that is applied to the fluid column at the very top, in the very tiny pores of the leaves:
https://www.physicsforums.com/threa...nsport-of-water-to-the-apex-of-a-tree.1078459

That's possible because, unlike gases, fluids can have negative absolute pressures, or internal 'tension', due to cohesive forces. So it is possible to pull and move a fluid, without any pushing on the other side.
 
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  • #33
A.T. said:
It depends on what you mean by 'suck'.

Trees can pull water much higher than the 10m it gets pushed up by atmosphere.
True for liquids. Capillary action. Hadn't thought of that. Not relevant to the OP's situation. I give up.
 
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