Fast Maximum Value Computation in CUDA C Arrays

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around methods for efficiently finding the maximum value in a CUDA C array, particularly for large arrays with over 100,000 elements. Participants explore various approaches, including reduction techniques and potential optimizations.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses difficulty with the max_element function and suggests that a for loop is inefficient for large arrays, prompting a search for faster methods.
  • Another participant points out that a single thread may perform comparably to multiple threads if RAM bandwidth is fully utilized, implying that memory access patterns are crucial.
  • A participant describes the problem as a classic reduction problem, proposing a multi-phase approach where each block computes local maxima, followed by further reductions until a global maximum is found. They mention considerations like shared memory and data distribution for performance enhancement.
  • One participant asserts that there is no faster sequential algorithm than a for loop for finding the maximum, emphasizing the necessity of examining each value.
  • A suggestion is made to explore data structures like binary trees to potentially optimize the number of comparisons, although this diverges from array-based methods.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the best method for finding the maximum value. Multiple competing views and techniques are presented, indicating ongoing debate and exploration of the topic.

Contextual Notes

Some participants mention the importance of RAM access patterns and memory bandwidth, but these aspects remain unresolved in terms of their impact on performance. The discussion includes various assumptions about the efficiency of different algorithms without definitive conclusions.

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I was wondering if anyone knows a fast method of finding the maximum value in a Cuda C array. I can't get max_element to work, but not sure its very fast anyways. I know I could do a for loop, but for an array with 100,000+ elements (smallest cases) it takes a lot of time (plus it has to continue through the loop even once its found what will eventually be the max value).

Anyone aware of any tricks?
 
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The issue here is getting the data out of ram in order to do the compares. A single thread can probably scan through ram as quickly as multiple threads if the ram bandwidth is maxed out from a single loop just doing loads and compares.
 
Sorry if this answer is way too elementary...

Finding the maximum value in an array is a classic reduction problem; it's the same as finding the sum, average, etc., just using a different "binary operator" (one which returns the maximum of the two arguments). That being said, given a fast (or the fastest) way to compute the sum of an array of arguments in CUDA, the same algorithm should be a fast (or the fastest) way to compute the maximum value in the array.

So I'm seeing this as a multi-phase solution. In the first phase, each block should compute the maximum value of the array corresponding to that block. In the second phase, some subset of the blocks should compute the maximum values from the computed maxima of all the blocks that did work in the first phase. Repeat until only one block is considering all the maximal values, and the result of this is guaranteed to be the maximum array value. You can consider things like shared memory, data distribution, etc. to increase performance.

Example: A = {3, 10, 1, 9, 2, 8, 3, 4, 8, 2, 1, 7, 2, 5, 6, 1, 2, 5, 3, 2}
Using 5 blocks to handle 4 elements each:

Phase 1:
{3, 10, 1, 9} {2, 8, 3, 4} {8, 2, 1, 7} {2, 5, 6, 1} {2, 5, 3, 2}
{10, 10, 9, 9} {8, 8, 4, 4} {8, 2, 7, 7} {5, 5, 6, 1} {5, 5, 3, 2}
{10, 10, 9, 9} {8, 8, 4, 4} {8, 2, 7, 7} {6, 5, 6, 1} {5, 5, 3, 2}

Phase 2:
{10, 8, 8, 6} {5}
{10, 8, 8, 6} {5}
{10, 8, 8, 6} {5}

Phase 3:
{10, 5}
{10, 5}

Maximum is 10
 
I know I could do a for loop, but for an array with 100,000+ elements (smallest cases) it takes a lot of time (plus it has to continue through the loop even once its found what will eventually be the max value).
There is no way to compute the maximum of a set of values without looking at every value in the list. In this sense, there is no faster sequential algorithm than a for loop over the elements.
 
AIR&SPACE said:
I was wondering if anyone knows a fast method of finding the maximum value in a Cuda C array. I can't get max_element to work, but not sure its very fast anyways. I know I could do a for loop, but for an array with 100,000+ elements (smallest cases) it takes a lot of time (plus it has to continue through the loop even once its found what will eventually be the max value).

Anyone aware of any tricks?

Maybe you could use a structure like a binary tree to optimize the number of comparisons required. It's not an array, but if speed is important, it might be worth investigating.
 
aegrisomnia said:
Sorry if this answer is way too elementary...

Finding the maximum value in an array is a classic reduction problem; it's the same as finding the sum, average, etc., just using a different "binary operator" (one which returns the maximum of the two arguments). That being said, given a fast (or the fastest) way to compute the sum of an array of arguments in CUDA, the same algorithm should be a fast (or the fastest) way to compute the maximum value in the array.

So I'm seeing this as a multi-phase solution. In the first phase, each block should compute the maximum value of the array corresponding to that block. In the second phase, some subset of the blocks should compute the maximum values from the computed maxima of all the blocks that did work in the first phase. Repeat until only one block is considering all the maximal values, and the result of this is guaranteed to be the maximum array value. You can consider things like shared memory, data distribution, etc. to increase performance.

Example: A = {3, 10, 1, 9, 2, 8, 3, 4, 8, 2, 1, 7, 2, 5, 6, 1, 2, 5, 3, 2}
Using 5 blocks to handle 4 elements each:

Phase 1:
{3, 10, 1, 9} {2, 8, 3, 4} {8, 2, 1, 7} {2, 5, 6, 1} {2, 5, 3, 2}
{10, 10, 9, 9} {8, 8, 4, 4} {8, 2, 7, 7} {5, 5, 6, 1} {5, 5, 3, 2}
{10, 10, 9, 9} {8, 8, 4, 4} {8, 2, 7, 7} {6, 5, 6, 1} {5, 5, 3, 2}

Phase 2:
{10, 8, 8, 6} {5}
{10, 8, 8, 6} {5}
{10, 8, 8, 6} {5}

Phase 3:
{10, 5}
{10, 5}

Maximum is 10


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