Faster-than-light experiments at home?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around proposed experiments and thought experiments related to the concept of faster-than-light (FTL) speeds, exploring various scenarios and interpretations within the context of physics. Participants examine the implications of visual phenomena, such as laser pointers and moving objects, and how they might suggest FTL motion, while also addressing the limitations and conditions of these claims.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose using a laser pointer aimed at the moon to create the illusion of moving the dot faster than light by flicking the wrist quickly.
  • Others argue that for the dot to be seen moving faster than light, the wrist would need to be flicked at light speed, thus not violating the speed of light limit.
  • One participant suggests that the dot is not an object but an intersection, and that with a fast enough spinning mirror, a dot could appear to move faster than light.
  • Another participant introduces the idea of using a laser pointer to arc across the sky between distant stars, suggesting that while the laser can be pointed quickly, the light itself takes time to reach the stars.
  • Some participants discuss the use of a rotating mirror setup in laboratory experiments to measure the speed of light, noting that it effectively demonstrates the principles involved.
  • A participant raises the possibility of an illusion of FTL motion when observing a star moving towards Earth at an angle, suggesting that light from previous positions could create a misleading perception of speed.
  • Another participant counters this by mentioning the Doppler effect, which would cause a blue shift and alter the perceived timing of events on the star's surface.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a variety of viewpoints, with some agreeing on the mechanics of visual phenomena and others contesting the interpretations of FTL motion. The discussion remains unresolved, with multiple competing views on the implications of the proposed experiments and thought experiments.

Contextual Notes

Some claims rely on specific assumptions about the nature of light and observation, and there are unresolved mathematical considerations regarding the scenarios presented. The discussion also highlights the distinction between perceived motion and actual physical movement.

  • #31
pallidin said:
OK, but if that is true, than I can transmit data FTL through vertex manipulation, so I question it's reality. Allow me to explain:
Using the 2 inclinded jaws as you described, the angle of separation(in this case) will cause a non-mass vertex movement to go FTL. Correct?
I can easily create sensors that determine whether or not a vertex exists at any given point. Agreed?
So, if I put a sensor at the beginning of the jaws to indicate vertex starting, and one at the end to indicate vertex arrival, the second sensor should "trigger" a vetex moment faster than C. Right?
With that I manipulate the jaws in Morse Code to transmit data FTL.

It's all true, except that you can't transmit data. You absolutely have to push the jaws together uniformly for the vertex to go FTL, such as with a uniform field pulling both jaws together, or one of them downward (gravity for example). To transmit data, you would have to be able to push the jaws together from one end, which you can't do (jaws are mades of interacting atoms).
 

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