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The discussion revolves around the conditions and treatment of detainees at Guantanamo Bay, particularly in light of recent FBI reports detailing possible abuse. Participants explore the implications of torture, its effectiveness in obtaining reliable information, and the moral considerations surrounding such practices.

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  • Some participants express horror at the reported mistreatment of detainees, questioning the rationale behind such actions.
  • There is a viewpoint that torture may yield information that could save lives, but the morality of torture for its own sake is challenged.
  • One participant argues that torture often leads to false information, either to stop the abuse or to mislead interrogators.
  • Another participant suggests that while torture may not always produce false information, it complicates the process of distinguishing valid information from falsehoods and has long-term moral implications.
  • Concerns are raised about the impact of torture on the perception of the U.S. as a moral authority, particularly in the context of gaining intelligence from potential informants.

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Participants generally express strong disapproval of the reported treatment of detainees, but there is disagreement regarding the effectiveness and justification of torture as a means of interrogation.

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The discussion reflects a range of opinions on the ethical and practical implications of torture, with no consensus on its justification or effectiveness.

Rach3
Some new ones here. :cry: :frown:

FBI details possible detainee abuse

WASHINGTON - FBI agents documented more than two dozen incidents of possible mistreatment at the Guantanamo Bay military base, including one detainee whose head was wrapped in duct tape for chanting the Quran and another who pulled out his hair after hours in a sweltering room.

...The reports describe a female guard who detainees said handled their genitals and wiped menstrual blood on their face. Another interrogator reportedly bragged to an FBI agent about dressing as a Catholic priest and "baptizing" a prisoner.

Some military officials and contractors told FBI agents that the interrogation techniques had been approved by the Defense Department, including directly by former Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld.

The documents were released in response to a public records request by the
American Civil Liberties Union, which is suing Rumsfeld and others on behalf of former military detainees who say they were abused. Many of the incidents in the FBI documents have already been reported and are summarized in the ACLU's lawsuit.

...The records were gathered as part of an internal FBI survey in 2004 and are not part of a criminal investigation.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070103/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/detainee_abuse
 
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That's... pretty freaking awful.

I fail to see what ends could be served by these means... torture that will lead to information that would save the lives of our citizens is one thing, but torture for its own sake is quite another.

I can halfway understand the reasoning for the former, although the latter eludes me.

What do you think are the odds that old rummy will face charges over condoning such base actions?
 
ptabor said:
That's... pretty freaking awful.

I fail to see what ends could be served by these means... torture that will lead to information that would save the lives of our citizens is one thing, but torture for its own sake is quite another.

Torture leads to false information, given either to simply stop the abuse or to deliberately mis-inform.

Garth
 
its not always false information, but with torture, you have to investigate the valid from the false information quite a lot. there is also the moral low standing that people who use torture are recognized for and this prevents other means from gaining human intelligence. it would be vary rare for KGB officers to be willing to operate as a double agent during the cold war if they knew they were only working for the lesser of two evils instead of 'the good guys'.

in this war where its so important to be considered the side of the moral (the one the moderates won't want to be attacked), torture is really working against us in the long run for some small, Vary short term gains.
 

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