Feed Ratio and Mole fraction outut

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the feed ratio of air to fuel and the output on a mole fraction basis for a combustion process involving a specific fuel composition. Participants explore the stoichiometry of the chemical reactions involved, considering the effects of excess air and the conversion of mass percentages to mole ratios.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests starting with a theoretical 100 moles of fuel to simplify calculations, questioning if 84.60 wt% C translates directly to moles.
  • Another participant proposes assuming 1 kg of fuel to facilitate calculations regarding oxygen consumption and air requirements.
  • There is a discussion about the need to convert mass percentages into mole ratios, with some participants emphasizing the importance of understanding the stoichiometry of the reactions.
  • Participants outline the chemical reactions for the combustion of sulfur, hydrogen, and carbon, discussing the products formed and their respective mass contributions.
  • One participant calculates the total moles of O2 required based on the combustion reactions, leading to a volume calculation using the ideal gas law.
  • Another participant points out an error in the calculation of O2 needed for CO formation and questions the treatment of gauge pressure in the volume calculation.
  • Concerns are raised about not accounting for nitrogen in the air and the implications of excess air on the calculations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the correct approach to convert mass percentages to mole ratios and the implications of excess air. The discussion remains unresolved, with multiple competing views on how to proceed with the calculations.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge limitations in their understanding of the inerts present in the fuel and the implications of gauge pressure on volume calculations. There are also unresolved questions regarding the exact stoichiometric coefficients needed for the reactions.

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This discussion may be useful for students and professionals interested in combustion chemistry, chemical engineering, and thermodynamics, particularly those dealing with fuel analysis and reaction stoichiometry.

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Homework Statement


The chemical analysis of a fuel is determined to be: 84.60 wt% C, 11.12 wt% H, 1.95 wt % S and the balance, inerts. The fuel is consumed in a steam generating furnace with 33% excess theoretical air. The air is preheated to 190degreesC and enters the furnace at a gauge pressure of 225 mm Hg. The sulfur and hydrogen are oxidized to SO2 and H2O ; 95% of the C forms CO2 and the balance goes to CO. (Assume ideal gas)
Calculate the feed ratio of (m3 air)/ (kg oil) and the output on a mole fraction basis, dry and wet.

2. The attempt at a solution
Just going to give this a try as to how I should attempt this.
Have the fuel - 84.60% c
- 11.12% H
- 1.95% S
- 2.33% Inerts
33% excess air, thus we have 77% air consumed which is preheated to 190 degrees C at 255 mm HG
So we know the S + H -> SO2 and H2O while 95% C forms CO2 and 5% C forms CO

Could we say that we have a theoretical 100 moles which can then be divided down to 84.60 moles C and so forth.
We could then assume that we have 100 g of material and knowing that we have 77% of the air consumed work towards finding the ratio of this 77% to the 100g? I am slightly confused...
 
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ScienceChem said:
Could we say that we have a theoretical 100 moles which can then be divided down to 84.60 moles C and so forth.
Is 84.60 wt% C the same as saying that for 100 moles of fuel 84.60 moles are C?

ScienceChem said:
We could then assume that we have 100 g of material and knowing that we have 77% of the air consumed work towards finding the ratio of this 77% to the 100g?
The feed ratio should be per kg fuel. Why not assume you have 1 kg of fuel? How much oxygen would that correspond to? And how much air in theory?

And you should probably start by writing down all the chemical reactions down to figure out the stoichiometry.
 
Wait I just realized now that you pointed that out... we are dealing with wt% so it is the mass percent and would not be on the mole ratio right?
So if we assumed 1kg of fuel we know that 77% of the air is consumed in theory.
We don't know what the starting mixture is of the fuel we just know that it contains C, S, H, and inerts.
So to work out chemical equations how would that work?
Would we say S + H2 + 2O2 -> SO2 + 2H2O and 3C + 2O2 -> CO2 + 2CO
Could we look at it in terms of input and output from here knowing the %C formed.
So if we assume and input of 1kg of the fuel
Our input would then be
846g of C
111.2g of H
19.5g of S
23.3g of inerts
Our output would then be
SO2
H2O
CO2
CO
Of these we know that 95% of the C forms CO2 and 5% forms CO. Could we then say that 803.7g of CO2 is formed and 42.3g of CO is produced.
But then where would I go from here. Calculate moles and determine the amount of O2 originally reacted with the carbon?
 
ScienceChem said:
Wait I just realized now that you pointed that out... we are dealing with wt% so it is the mass percent and would not be on the mole ratio right?
Right. There are many ways of attacking this kind of problem, and I think that I would start by converting these mass ratios into mole ratios. [Edit: or rather moles per kg, because of the presence of inerts)]

ScienceChem said:
So to work out chemical equations how would that work?
Would we say S + H2 + 2O2 -> SO2 + 2H2O and 3C + 2O2 -> CO2 + 2CO
I was a bit sloppy in my wording. I meant something like what you did there. You will need to know for each mole of each atom how many moles of O2 you need.

ScienceChem said:
Of these we know that 95% of the C forms CO2 and 5% forms CO. Could we then say that 803.7g of CO2 is formed and 42.3g of CO is produced.
But then where would I go from here. Calculate moles and determine the amount of O2 originally reacted with the carbon?
That's another way to proceed, instead of starting with mole ratios. But be careful: does having 846g of C and forming 95% CO2 mean that you form 803.7g of CO2?
 
If we start with mole ratios I would then have:
846 g of C / 12.01 g/mol = 70.44 moles C
111.2g of H / 1.00 g/mol = 111.2 moles H
19.5g of S / 32.07 g/mol = 0.61 moles S
23.3g of inerts -> don't know moles because we don't know what the inerts contain.

the 846 g of C or 70.44 moles would mean that within the CO2 we have 803.7 g of C, but we don't know how much O2.

So if we look at the equations then
S + H2 + 2O2 -> SO2 + 2H2O
3C + 2O2 -> CO2 + 2CO

Could we say that we need 4O2 molecules to react in order to get the products described. I am not sure where to proceed from here though. We know the S and H in the first equation so we could determine using a mole ratio the amount of moles of O2 on a 1:2 ratio. Same with the 2nd equation on a 3:2 ratio from C. Then we could determine the total moles of O2 reacted and use that to find the volume of air? Could we then use PV=nRT since we know the temp is 190degreesC and enters the furnace at a gauge pressure of 225 mm Hg. Now that we have moles we solve for volume? And since we initally started with a basis of 1kg of fuel, that would represent the amount of O2 in 1 kg oil?
Then the outputs we could again use ratios to determine the amount produced from the inputs?
 
ScienceChem said:
If we start with mole ratios I would then have:
846 g of C / 12.01 g/mol = 70.44 moles C
111.2g of H / 1.00 g/mol = 111.2 moles H
19.5g of S / 32.07 g/mol = 0.61 moles S
23.3g of inerts -> don't know moles because we don't know what the inerts contain.
Good.

ScienceChem said:
the 846 g of C or 70.44 moles would mean that within the CO2 we have 803.7 g of C, but we don't know how much O2.
I don't understand what you are trying to do here. I suggest you keep everything in moles for now.

ScienceChem said:
So if we look at the equations then
S + H2 + 2O2 -> SO2 + 2H2O
3C + 2O2 -> CO2 + 2CO
Separate all the "reactions":
S + O2 → SO2
2H + 1/2 O2 → H2O
C + O2 →CO2
C + O →CO

Can you figure out how many moles of O2 are needed per kg fuel?

ScienceChem said:
Then we could determine the total moles of O2 reacted and use that to find the volume of air? Could we then use PV=nRT since we know the temp is 190degreesC and enters the furnace at a gauge pressure of 225 mm Hg. Now that we have moles we solve for volume? And since we initally started with a basis of 1kg of fuel, that would represent the amount of O2 in 1 kg oil?
Then the outputs we could again use ratios to determine the amount produced from the inputs?
Did you mean "that would represent the amount of O2 needed for 1 kg oil"? Otherwise, that sounds good! And don't forget that you are given the gauge pressure and that there is excess air.
 
So if we have:
S + O2 → SO2 S=0.61 moles thus 1:1 ratio so 0.61 moles of O2
2H + 1/2 O2 → H2O H=111.2 moles thus 2:1/2 ratio so 27.8 moles O2
C + O2 →CO2 here we know 95% of the C went to CO2 and 1:1 ratio so 66.92 moles O2
C + O →CO here 5% of C went to CO so 1:1 ratio so 3.52 moles O2
So total we know there is 0.61 + 27.8 + 66.92 + 3.52 =98.85 total moles of O2 per kg of fuel

PV=nRT
V=nRT/P
V=(98.85moles)*(0.0821 liter·atm/mol·K)*(463K)/ (0.296 atm)
V=12694.3 L
V=12.69m^3 O2 per kg of oil

Does that seem right?
 
ScienceChem said:
C + O →CO here 5% of C went to CO so 1:1 ratio so 3.52 moles O2
You made an error here.

ScienceChem said:
V=(98.85moles)*(0.0821 liter·atm/mol·K)*(463K)/ (0.296 atm)
What does "gauge pressure" mean?
 
You forgot to account for the nitrogen in the air, and you forgot to multiply by 4/3 to account for the excess air.

Chet
 

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