Felix Baumgartner Jumped From.the Moon?

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The discussion revolves around misconceptions about space travel, particularly regarding the extent of human exploration beyond Earth and the public's understanding of space missions. Participants explore the educational gaps and cultural narratives that shape perceptions of space exploration, touching on historical and contemporary aspects of space travel.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express concern about the general public's lack of knowledge regarding the frequency of unmanned rocket launches and the fact that astronauts have not traveled beyond low Earth orbit.
  • Others highlight the cultural narrative that suggests continuous progress in space exploration since the moon landings, leading to misconceptions about current capabilities.
  • A participant shares statistics from a trivia night indicating that a significant portion of students incorrectly believed humans had traveled beyond the Moon, reflecting widespread misinformation.
  • There is mention of a historical program involving nuclear propulsion systems for Mars missions, suggesting that past efforts were aimed at advancing space travel technology.
  • Some participants reflect on the downsizing of the International Space Station project and the implications of budgetary constraints on space exploration.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that there is a significant gap in public understanding of space exploration, but multiple competing views remain regarding the reasons for this lack of knowledge and the implications of historical and current space missions.

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Limitations include the reliance on anecdotal evidence and personal experiences, as well as the absence of comprehensive data on public knowledge of space exploration. The discussion does not resolve the complexities surrounding educational shortcomings and cultural narratives.

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At least, that's what one individual would have us think:

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So at what point did the education system really go wrong?
 
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If we could have went to the moon in a balloon, why would we have spent millions to send people there on a rocketship?
 
The other day I was talking about this to some friends, all of us are graduates and one (who I consider particularly intelligent) was shocked to find out that the majority of rocket launches are unmanned. She was further shocked to learn that astronauts haven't been to other planets and don't do so regularly.

When it comes to space especially it ceases to surprise me that the average person is uninformed, not just because of the education system and the understandable lack of interest in space but because the narrative of space travel in western culture is such that most people just assume we've been getting bigger and better since the moon landings. After all, we're clearly going to be living in space in the future...right??

An interesting blog post on this issue by a lecturer who raised this with his students
http://physics.ucsd.edu/do-the-math/2011/10/why-not-space/
 
Jimminy Christmas!

"Where is New Mexico?" :rolleyes:
 
Ryan_m_b said:
An interesting blog post on this issue by a lecturer who raised this with his students
http://physics.ucsd.edu/do-the-math/2011/10/why-not-space/

I took the picture from this blog post and included it as part of a trivia night I occasionally host at a local student bar, basically asking the same question Murphy did.

None of the groups answered correctly, and its mostly international graduate students.
 
Ryan_m_b said:
The other day I was talking about this to some friends, all of us are graduates and one (who I consider particularly intelligent) was shocked to find out that the majority of rocket launches are unmanned. She was further shocked to learn that astronauts haven't been to other planets and don't do so regularly.

When it comes to space especially it ceases to surprise me that the average person is uninformed, not just because of the education system and the understandable lack of interest in space but because the narrative of space travel in western culture is such that most people just assume we've been getting bigger and better since the moon landings. After all, we're clearly going to be living in space in the future...right??

An interesting blog post on this issue by a lecturer who raised this with his students
http://physics.ucsd.edu/do-the-math/2011/10/why-not-space/

Out of a total of 109 students responding (one group in 2006, another in 2010), only 11% got the right answer: low Earth orbit. 52% thought humans had been as far as the Moon since the 1980′s, and 20% thought we had been farther than the Moon. Some were indignant on learning the truth: “What do we use the space shuttle for, if not to go to the Moon?!” I can only guess that some students imagined the International Space Station as a remote outpost, certainly beyond the Moon, and likely strategically located next to a wormhole. How disappointing it must be to learn that it merely hugs the globe
That's sad and worrisome.

Back in the 1980's, I was one of a group of nuclear engineering grad students who were part of a USRA/NASA program looking at nuclear propulsion systems for missions to Mars and power plants for the Moon or Mars. Back then the objective was to get my generation interacting with those from the 1950s-1970s who developed such technology, and hopefully transfer the technology, and if possible enhance the technology based on the state-of-the-art in the mid 1980s (particular with access to greater computational resources). At the time, many were retired and some had already died.

I also watched as ISS was downsized (while the budget skyrocketed) and then the Challenger disaster.

It's one matter to go from LEO to the moon or Mars. It's quite another matter to deliver the necessary infrastructure (mass) from the Earth's surface to LEO.
 

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