Fermions that can access 10 distinct energy states; Statistical Physics

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The discussion revolves around a statistical physics problem involving four quantum fermions that can access ten distinct energy states. The participants are tasked with writing expressions for entropy and computing it at specific energy levels, while considering the implications of indistinguishable particles and occupancy constraints.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the expression for statistical weight and its implications for indistinguishable particles. There is a focus on how to account for energy distributions among the fermions, particularly regarding the probabilities of occupying different energy states. Questions arise about the uniqueness of arrangements at fixed energy levels and the role of spin in occupancy.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants attempting to compute the statistical weight and entropy for given energy levels. Some guidance is provided regarding combinatorial approaches, but there is no consensus on how to fully incorporate the effects of spin or the implications of occupancy constraints.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the assumption of indistinguishable particles and the potential oversight regarding spin, which could affect the occupancy of energy states. The problem constraints include fixed energy levels and the requirement to consider multiple occupancy for fermions with spin 1/2.

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Homework Statement



Consider a system made of 4 quantum fermions that can access 10 distinct states respectively with energies:

En=n/10 eV with n=1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10

1) Write the expression for the entropy when the particles can access all states with equal probability

2) Compute the Entropy of the isolated system at energy U =1 eV

3) Compute the entropy of the isolated system at energy 1.1 eV

Homework Equations



Ω=G!/m!(G-m)!
s=kBln(Ω)


The Attempt at a Solution



the first question i think is answered basically by the first equation i gave for the statistical weight because that is for indistinguishable particles with multiple occupancy not allowed. I am a little bit stuck on the 2nd and 3rd questions. The probability of finding a particle in the lowest state must be more probable than finding a particle in the highest state but the equation for the statistical weight won't take that into account. if i can be pointed in the right direction that would be awesome :smile:
 
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matt_crouch said:
the first question i think is answered basically by the first equation i gave for the statistical weight because that is for indistinguishable particles with multiple occupancy not allowed. I am a little bit stuck on the 2nd and 3rd questions. The probability of finding a particle in the lowest state must be more probable than finding a particle in the highest state but the equation for the statistical weight won't take that into account. if i can be pointed in the right direction that would be awesome :smile:

The physical way of looking at entropy is that it's the logarithm of the number of states corresponding to a given energy. For example, when the total energy is fixed to 1eV, there's only one possible arrangement to get this: 1/10eV + 2/10eV + 3/10eV + 4/10eV = 1eV. Now it becomes just a combinatorics problem, and you only need to figure out how many such configurations there are.
 
ok so because there is only 1 possible arrangement for u=1ev the statistical weight can be calculated used the equation above so

Ω= 4!/4!(1)!
Ω=1

so s=kln(1)

then for the u=1.1 ev so the only possible state will be when 3/10 + 5/10 + 2/10 + 1/10 = 1.1 ev

so again Ω=1

s=kln (1)
 
Oops, I forgot about spin. If your fermions have spin 1/2, you can have two of them occupying a state with same n. Maybe you should at least mention this, if not calculate it completely.
 

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