1. Limited time only! Sign up for a free 30min personal tutor trial with Chegg Tutors
    Dismiss Notice
Dismiss Notice
Join Physics Forums Today!
The friendliest, high quality science and math community on the planet! Everyone who loves science is here!

Number of individual states with the same occupation numbers

  1. Oct 27, 2017 #1
    1. The problem statement, all variables and given/known data
    A state of a system of many noninteracting particles can be specified by listing which particle is in which of the accessible single particle states. In each microscopic state we can identify the number of particles in a given single particle state ##k##. This number is called the occupation number, of state k and is denoted by ##n_k##.
    How many individual microscopic states have the same set of occupation numbers ##n_k##?

    2. Relevant equations
    Solution given:
    The number of states with the same set of ##n_k## is the number of ways the N particles can be distributed in groups of ##n_k## each. It is the combinatorial factor that expresses the fact that all N particles can be interchanged, but interchanges of particles within each group do not produce new states. Hence the number is
    $$\frac{N!}{n_1!n_2! \dots n_k! \dots}$$

    3. The attempt at a solution
    So I tried using this equation to see if I can find the correct answer. I took a system of ##N=13## particles
    $$
    \begin{array}{|c|c|c|c|c|c|}
    \hline
    k & 1 & 2 & 3 & 4 & 5 \\
    n_k & 3 & 2 & 1 & 4 & 3 \\
    \hline
    \end{array}
    $$
    where ##k## are the individual microscopic states and ##n_k## is their occupation numbers respectively
    And when I applied the equation, I get
    $$\frac{13!}{3!2!1!4!}=21621600$$ which is so far off from the number expected (2)
    I must have understand the equation wrong. Can someone please explain to me how exactly does this equation work?
     
  2. jcsd
  3. Oct 28, 2017 #2
    So a couple of things:

    1) I'm not sure about your problem statement. You say that [itex] k[/itex] is the number of particles in a given state. This should be [itex] n_k[/itex]. In occupation number representation the number operator [itex] n_k[/itex] returns the number of particles in the [itex] k^{th}[/itex] momentum state.

    2) Are you using bosonic particles or fermionic particles? Because the statistics change depending on which; for example you can have two fermions in a state (spin up and down), and exchanging them is non trivial and creates a different wave function. For bosonic particles you can have infinitely many in a state (infinite dimensional Hilbert space) and swapping them leaves the wavefunction unchanged.
     
Know someone interested in this topic? Share this thread via Reddit, Google+, Twitter, or Facebook

Have something to add?
Draft saved Draft deleted



Similar Discussions: Number of individual states with the same occupation numbers
  1. Total number of states (Replies: 1)

Loading...