Fermi's Golden Rule and the S-matrix

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The discussion revolves around the application of Fermi's golden rule in quantum field theory (QFT) and its relationship with the S-matrix. Participants explore the validity of using first-order perturbation theory and the implications of higher-order corrections on decay rates and scattering cross-sections.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the general applicability of replacing the perturbation with the transition part of the S-matrix, noting that the S-matrix is not limited to first order.
  • Another participant asserts that Fermi's golden rule is valid only to first order and that the error from the replacement is of the same order, suggesting that the results are about equally reliable.
  • A follow-up comment raises the question of whether higher-order corrections to amplitudes could provide better predictions for decay rates and scattering cross-sections.
  • Another participant agrees that using a higher-order version of Fermi's golden rule could yield better predictions, emphasizing that combining different approximations may lead to accuracy limited by the least reliable component.
  • A participant expresses confusion about the reliability of higher-order matrix amplitudes if only the first-order Fermi golden rule is utilized, questioning the overall accuracy in practice.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the reliability of first-order versus higher-order corrections in the context of Fermi's golden rule and the S-matrix. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of these corrections on predictions.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the assumptions made about the accuracy of higher-order corrections and the dependence on the specific context of their application. The discussion does not resolve the mathematical steps involved in transitioning from first-order to higher-order formulations.

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Why can the perturbation matrix element be replaced with the transition part of the S-matrix?
Hey there,

This question was asked elsewhere, but I wasn't really satisfied with the answer.

When I learned about Fermi's golden rule, ##{ \Gamma }_{ if }=2\pi { \left| \left< { f }|{ \delta V }|{ i } \right> \right| }^{ 2 }\rho \left( { E }_{ f } \right)##, it was derived from first order perturbation theory in the context of quantum mechanics.

In the context of QFT, the perturbation was replaced by the transition part ##\hat { T }## of the S-matrix, ##\hat { S } ≔\hat { I } +i\hat { T }##. However, ##\hat { T }## is not necessarily given only up to first order, so why can we just make this replacement in general?
 
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Well, Fermi's golden rule is valid only to first order, hence has second order errors. The error made by the replacement is of the same order, hence the result - though different numerically - is accurate to the same order. and therefore (without further analysis) about equally reliable.
 
A. Neumaier said:
The error made by the replacement is of the same order, hence the result - though different numerically - is accurate to the same order. and therefore (without further analysis) about equally reliable.
So is there not any good reason to expect that higher-order corrections to amplitudes will give us better predictions of decay rates and scattering cross-sections?
 
tomdodd4598 said:
So is there not any good reason to expect that higher-order corrections to amplitudes will give us better predictions of decay rates and scattering cross-sections?
You get better predictions if you also use a higher order version of Fermi's golden rule. In general, if you combine different approximations the final accuracy will be more or less that of the worst link.
 
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A. Neumaier said:
You get better predictions if you also use a higher order version of Fermi's golden rule. In general, if you combine different approximations the final accuracy will be more or less that of the worst link.
So in practice, is that what we do? I've read various QFT textbooks which calculate higher order diagrams, but then don't mention using higher order forms of the golden rule.
 
I've come a bit full-circle after a while and am still confused on this. If "the final accuracy will be more or less that of the worst link", and we're only using the first-order Fermi golden rule, then how can any higher-order matrix amplitude be reliable?
 

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