Few suggestions about cauchy inequality

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The discussion revolves around the Cauchy-Schwarz inequality and its implications, including related inequalities and conditions for their validity. Participants explore mathematical reasoning, proofs, and specific cases related to the inequality.

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  • One participant proposes a conclusion from the Cauchy-Schwarz inequality regarding the relationship between sums of squares and products of sums, questioning if it holds under specific substitutions.
  • Another participant agrees with the initial proposition but notes that it is true only if the variables are non-negative.
  • A counterexample is provided by a participant, illustrating that the proposed conclusion does not hold in all cases, particularly when some variables are zero.
  • Further clarification is offered regarding the conditions under which the inequalities are valid, specifically mentioning that the sequences should be in descending order and positive.
  • A participant suggests using induction as a method to prove the inequality mentioned in the discussion.
  • Another participant notes that the last inequality discussed is known as Chebyshev's inequality, mentioning that the sequences must be sorted but do not necessarily need to be positive.

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Participants express differing views on the validity of the proposed conclusions from the Cauchy-Schwarz inequality, with some supporting the conditions for validity while others provide counterexamples. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the proof of the inequality mentioned.

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Participants note specific conditions such as the positivity and ordering of the sequences, which are crucial for the validity of the inequalities discussed. There is also mention of the need for proof, indicating that some mathematical steps remain unresolved.

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As I can see from the formula of cauchy inequality:
(a1^2+a2^2+...+an^2)^1/2 . (b1^2+b2^2+...+bn)^1/2 >= a1b1+a2b2 + ... + anbn

Can I conclude from the above formula that:
(a1+a2+...+an)^1/2 . (b1+b2+...+bn)^1/2 >= (a1b1)^1/2 + (a2b2)^1/2 +...+ (anbn)^1/2
by setting a1,...,an = p1^2,...pn^2 and b1,...,bn = q1^2,...qn^2

Also in my lectures they mentioned this formula
(a1+a2...+an)(b1+b2+...bn) <= n(a1b1+a2b2+...+anbn)
but they didnt give a proof for it. Anyone can find me proof for it as I don't know how to prove it.
 
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topengonzo said:
As I can see from the formula of cauchy inequality:
(a1^2+a2^2+...+an^2)^1/2 . (b1^2+b2^2+...+bn)^1/2 >= a1b1+a2b2 + ... + anbn

Can I conclude from the above formula that:
(a1+a2+...+an)^1/2 . (b1+b2+...+bn)^1/2 >= (a1b1)^1/2 + (a2b2)^1/2 +...+ (anbn)^1/2
by setting a1,...,an = p1^2,...pn^2 and b1,...,bn = q1^2,...qn^2
True, provided the a's and b's are non-negative.

Also in my lectures they mentioned this formula
(a1+a2...+an)(b1+b2+...bn) <= n(a1b1+a2b2+...+anbn)
but they didnt give a proof for it. Anyone can find me proof for it as I don't know how to prove it.
False. Consider, for example, the case n=2, a1 = b2 = 0, a2 = b1 = 1.
 
awkward said:
True, provided the a's and b's are non-negative.False. Consider, for example, the case n=2, a1 = b2 = 0, a2 = b1 = 1.

Your right. Rereading the lecture, they mentioned that that a1,..,an and b1,...,bn are in descending order and they are all positive.
 
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How to prove it?
 
Have you tried induction?
 
The last in inequality is named after Chebyshev. Lots of different spellings, but I am sure you can google it. The sequences must be sorted the way, and it is not requiered that the terms are positive.
 

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