Fibonacci sequence: what's wrong here?

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The discussion revolves around a proof by induction related to the Fibonacci sequence, specifically examining the relationship between the sums of odd-indexed Fibonacci numbers and even-indexed Fibonacci numbers.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants explore the induction step and question the manipulation of Fibonacci identities. There is a focus on how to correctly apply the Fibonacci formula in the context of the proof.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, raising questions about the validity of their steps and the application of the Fibonacci formula. Some guidance has been offered regarding the induction process, but confusion remains about specific manipulations and their implications.

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There is mention of a base case being proven, but the participants express uncertainty about the transition from the induction hypothesis to the induction step. The discussion also touches on the differences in outcomes when applying the Fibonacci formula in various contexts.

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Given f1+f3+f5+...+f2n-1 = f2n.

Prove by induction.

So using the general Fibonacci sequence formula, Fn=Fn-1 + Fn-2 ,

I got f1+f3+...+f2n+1 = f2n+2
then using the formula, f1+f3+...+f2n+1 +f2n = f2n+2.
This ends up giving me, f2n + f2n does not equal f2n+2.

What's wrong here?

( I already proved the base case by the way).
 
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Hmm... Can you plug 'n+1' instead of 'n' in the equation you should assume as known ?
 
So plug n+1 into Fibonacci equation? Did that, and got Fn+ Fn-1.
Then used this for f2n+1 on the l.h.s. To get f2n + f2n + f2n+1 on the left hand side. But this doesn't equal f2n+1 does it?
 
OK, let's take it this way

Make n\rightarrow n+1 in

...+f_{2n-3} + f_{2n-1} = f_{2n} [/itex] <br /> <br /> and work in the LHS of the new equality only. Then compare with what you have to prove (which would have to coincide with the RHS of the new equality).
 
For n= n + 1, I get:

...+ f2n-1 + f2n+1 = f2n+2.
So we can state that f2n + f2n+1 = f2n+2...which is true, but my issue is why does this not work when you use the fibonacci formula?
 
Let me give another example, like to prove that f3n is an even integer, we can apply the formula, and it works. But in the problem stated above, it does not seem to work the same way. It only works when you add F2n+1 to both sides of the equation.
 
math_nerd said:
Given f1+f3+f5+...+f2n-1 = f2n.

Prove by induction.

So using the general Fibonacci sequence formula, Fn=Fn-1 + Fn-2 ,

I got f1+f3+...+f2n+1 = f2n+2
then using the formula, f1+f3+...+f2n+1 +f2n = f2n+2.
This ends up giving me, f2n + f2n does not equal f2n+2.

What's wrong here?

( I already proved the base case by the way).

Ok, so the induction step is f_1+f_3+...+f_{2n-1}+f_{2n+1}=f_{2n+2}, given that f_1+f_3+...+f_{2n-1}=f_{2n}. If you put the given in doesn't that give you f_{2n}+f_{2n+1}=f_{2n+2}? I'm really confused about what you are confused about.
 

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