Field at a distance caused by a ring charge

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The problem involves calculating the electric field at various distances along the axis of a ring charge with a uniform distribution of charge. The specific distances of interest are 1.2 cm, 3.6 cm, and 4.0 m from the center of the ring.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss discrepancies in calculated electric field values, particularly noting an unexpected increase in the field strength at a greater distance. Questions arise about the behavior of the electric field at different points along the axis and the implications of the field being zero at the center of the ring.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring the reasoning behind the unexpected results and questioning the assumptions related to the electric field's behavior. Some participants suggest examining the calculations further and considering the graphical representation of the electric field function.

Contextual Notes

Participants express concern over potential calculator errors and the validity of their results, indicating a need for clarity on the underlying physics principles governing the electric field of a ring charge.

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Homework Statement


2.75 mC is uniformly distributed on a ring of radius 8.5 cm. Find the electric field on the axis at (a) 1.2
cm, (b) 3.6 cm and (c) 4.0 m from the center of the ring.

Homework Equations


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E = (kQx)/(a^2+x^2)^(3/2)

3. The Attempt at a Solution


This question really boils down to a calculator issue, operator error issue or the abyss of unknown. When I perform the calculation on two different calculators using different methods, including a graphing calculator that has memory allowing me to repeat an equation previously used and change its variables, I get a strange answer for the second part 3.6cm. It ends up larger by one order! It can't be because its further from the charge, but each time I calculate it I get an erroneous value.

a) 4.695 x 10^5 N/C
b) 1.13 x 10^6 N/C
c) 1.54 x 10^3 N/C

Please don't say throw out the calculator because I checked it with a 30 year old Sharp 531D and I get the same results! I must be missing something. Anyone able to assist? Most appreciated, thanks!

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chopnhack said:
I get a strange answer for the second part 3.6cm. It ends up larger by one order! It can't be because its further from the charge, but each time I calculate it I get an erroneous value.
Are you sure it can't be? What is the field at x = 0?
 
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TSny said:
Are you sure it can't be? What is the field at x = 0?
Fair point, the value at x = 0 is zero, but I think that is almost like the argument of no charge inside a hollow sphere. In this case, the center is the ring, it being just a slice of a sphere.

I am not sure it can't be, but it doesn't seem logical in the sense that as you get further from the field you should see a diminished field, as is the case for all other charges we have dealt with so far.

Have you tried the calculation?
 
chopnhack said:
I am not sure it can't be, but it doesn't seem logical in the sense that as you get further from the field you should see a diminished field, as is the case for all other charges we have dealt with so far.
Only the x-component of the field survives. Suppose you had a single point charge located on the y-axis at say, y = .30 m. Now consider different points on the x axis, say x = 0, x = .10 m, x = .20 m, ..., x = 1.0 m. Can you see how the x-component of the field of the point charge varies for these points?

Have you tried the calculation?
Yes, I get your results. Since you have a graphing calculator, you might try plotting your function E(x).
 
TSny said:
Only the x-component of the field survives.
Yes, I get your results. Since you have a graphing calculator, you might try plotting your function E(x).

Yes, the opposing sine theta portions cancel each other leaving just the cosine portion.
I will give that a go and see if I can get it to display a graph.

That other bit you mentioned on a point charge at y - I can somewhat see what you mean, due to the circular nature of the ring, but I want to work it out later when I have some time.
 

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