Field generated by electric quadrupole

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The problem involves calculating the electric field generated by an electric quadrupole, which consists of two oppositely charged dipoles in close proximity. The specific tasks include determining the field for points to the right of a certain position and demonstrating how the field diminishes as the distance increases significantly.

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  • Participants discuss the complexity of the electric field expression derived from the configuration of charges and explore ways to simplify it. There are questions about the assumptions made when considering the limit as distance increases, particularly regarding the treatment of the parameter 'a' in the calculations.

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Some participants have provided insights into the simplification process and the behavior of the field as distance increases. There is an ongoing exploration of how to express the field for points beyond a specific position, indicating a productive direction in the discussion.

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Homework Statement



"An electric quadrupole consists of two oppositely charged dipoles in close proximity. (a) Calculate the field of the quadrupole shown in the diagram for points to the right of x = a, and (b) show that for x>>a the quadrupole field falls off as
\frac{1}{x^4}"

---------(+q)-----(-2q)-----(+q)----------

the left charge is at position x = -a, the middle is at x = 0, and the right is at x = a.


Homework Equations



\vec{E}(P)=\sum{\frac{kq}{r^2} \hat{r}}

The Attempt at a Solution



i found the charge to be this convoluted mess, but i don't see any ways of simplifying it.
\frac{kq}{(x-a)^2} \hat{i} - \frac{2kq}{x^2} \hat{i} + \frac{kq}{(x+a)^2} \hat{i}

when i combined the fractions i got something even more horrifying.
kq \left[ \frac{x^2(x+a)^2 - 2(x+a)^2(x-a)^2+x^2(x-a)^2} {x^2(x-a)^2(x+a)^2} \right]

the way i understand it, when you show that something "falls off" you negate the a as x becomes very big, which makes sense... the a is very small and therefore pretty much negligible. however, when i did that and simplified, i got this:
\frac{0}{x^6}

where did i go wrong? And how do I start the second part of the question:?
 
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kjintonic said:

Homework Statement



"An electric quadrupole consists of two oppositely charged dipoles in close proximity. (a) Calculate the field of the quadrupole shown in the diagram for points to the right of x = a, and (b) show that for x>>a the quadrupole field falls off as
\frac{1}{x^4}"

---------(+q)-----(-2q)-----(+q)----------

the left charge is at position x = -a, the middle is at x = 0, and the right is at x = a.


Homework Equations



\vec{E}(P)=\sum{\frac{kq}{r^2} \hat{r}}

The Attempt at a Solution



i found the charge to be this convoluted mess, but i don't see any ways of simplifying it.
\frac{kq}{(x-a)^2} \hat{i} - \frac{2kq}{x^2} \hat{i} + \frac{kq}{(x+a)^2} \hat{i}

when i combined the fractions i got something even more horrifying.
kq \left[ \frac{x^2(x+a)^2 - 2(x+a)^2(x-a)^2+x^2(x-a)^2} {x^2(x-a)^2(x+a)^2} \right]

Hi kjintonic! :smile:

At the top, the x^4s cancel, and you get a^2x^2s etc,

and the bottom is x^6 + …
the way i understand it, when you show that something "falls off" you negate the a as x becomes very big, which makes sense... the a is very small and therefore pretty much negligible. however, when i did that and simplified, i got this:
\frac{0}{x^6}

No, you don't let a –> 0, you just let a stay fixed, and let x —> ∞.

So a^2x^2 + … / x^6 + … = a^2/x^4 + … :smile:

(oh … and you have to type [noparse]before and after any LaTeX! [/noparse] :wink:)
 


potential due to the quadrupole is;
V=qd²[3cos²θ-1]/4╥εx³

Now,
Radial component of electric field, Ex=-∂V/∂x=-∂/∂x[qd²(3cos²θ-1)/4╥εx³]

and

Transverse component of field, Eθ= - (1/x)[∂V/∂θ]
=-(1/r){∂/∂θ[qd²(3cos²θ-1)/4╥εx³]}

therefore,resultant field is, E=√(Ex²+Eθ²) which will be proportional to 1/x^4.
 


Thanks a lot for the help. I simplified that combined faction and got \:
(6a^2x^2-a^2)/(x^6-2a^2x^4+a^4x^2).

I can't see any more way to simplify it :(
 
kjintonic said:
Thanks a lot for the help. I simplified that combined faction and got \:
(6a^2x^2-a^2)/(x^6-2a^2x^4+a^4x^2).

I can't see any more way to simplify it :(

(what about[noparse] and?[/noparse])

Why do you want to?

That obviously falls off as 1/x4. :smile:

(If you're not convinced, just divide top and bottom by x6)
 


o cool :D Thanks a lot. One last question. This does prove that the quad falls off as 1/x^4 but how do i get field to the right of x=a?
 

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