Field strength is the potential gradient graph question

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating gravitational field strength using the potential gradient, specifically in the context of a graph related to gravitational potential. The original poster is exploring the relationship between gravitational potential and field strength at varying distances from the Earth's center.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to calculate gravitational field strength using the gradient of a potential graph and questions the necessity of drawing tangents when a formula seems applicable. Other participants discuss the conditions under which the relationship between potential and field strength holds true, particularly in relation to spherical symmetry and the nature of gravitational potential inside the Earth.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the concepts, questioning the assumptions behind the calculations, and clarifying the conditions under which the equations apply. Some guidance has been provided regarding the limitations of the potential function and the implications of its shape on the calculations.

Contextual Notes

There is a noted complexity in the gravitational potential and force functions inside the Earth, which may affect the validity of the original poster's approach. Additionally, there are references to the need for proper formatting in LaTeX for mathematical expressions.

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Homework Statement


By use of the graph in part (a), calculate the gravitational field strength at a distance 2R from the centre of the Earth.


Homework Equations



g = delta V / Delta r filed strength is the potential gradient

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The Attempt at a Solution



I have drawn the gradient on at 2r=R and calculated it. I have also done another at 3R to check what is confusing me.

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I've just written out the equations; if V=GM/r and you divide that by r you get GM/r^2, which = g. So this must be valid for any point. In that case, why bother with the inaccuracy of drawing a tangent? Why not just read off the value of V at that value of r??

Any helpful pointers appreciated
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If you know the exact shape of the potential everywhere, you can calculate the gradient, of course.
In general, this does not have to be true. Inside earth, for example, force and potential are more complicated functions.
 
Thanks mfb for responding.
So will the potential at any point divided by the distance to that point always equal the gravitational field strength or is this because my potential function has this shape?
 
So if

g = \frac{\Delta V}{\Delta r}

Can why can we say that V at that point divided by the distance is equal to g?
 
hmm, looks like I need to add something to the LATEX statement so it is parsed correctly?
 
mrcotton said:
Thanks mfb for responding.
So will the potential at any point divided by the distance to that point always equal the gravitational field strength or is this because my potential function has this shape?
It works if you have a single, spherical symmetric mass at the origin (in 3 dimensions), and consider the potential and force outside this mass, where the potential is defined to be zero at infinite distance.
It fails as soon as one of those conditions is not true.

You need [tex]code[/t[/color]ex] or [itex]code[/it[/color]ex] to parse TeX (you can also use the shorter versions $$code$[/color]$ and ##code#[/color]#).[/itex][/tex]
 
Thanks again mfb
so in my particular case it works for the potential GM/r
but the general case is [tex]g = \frac{\Delta V}{\Delta r}[/tex] is always true.
If this LATEX works then I have learn't two new things today

Now to go and learn the functions for the potentials for the standard model Lagrangian
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