Field Theory - Nicholson - Algebraic Extensions - Section 6.2 - Example 13

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The discussion revolves around Example 13 from Nicholson's "Introduction to Abstract Algebra," specifically addressing the relationship between the field extensions \(\mathbb{Q}(u)\) and \(\mathbb{Q}(u)^2\) where \(u = \sqrt[3]{2}\). Participants explore the implications of the degree of field extensions and the conditions under which two fields may be equal.

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  • Peter presents the problem of showing that \([\mathbb{Q}(u) : \mathbb{Q}(u)^2] = 1\) implies \(\mathbb{Q}(u) = \mathbb{Q}(u)^2\).
  • One participant corrects Peter's notation, suggesting that \(\mathbb{Q}(u)^2\) should be \(\mathbb{Q}(u^2)\) and provides a proof that if \([E:F] = 1\), then \(E = F\).
  • Another participant offers a similar proof, emphasizing that if \([E:F] = 1\) and \(E\) is algebraic over \(F\), any element \(a \in E\) must belong to \(F\), leading to a contradiction if \(a\) is assumed to be outside \(F\).
  • Further elaboration is provided on the dimensionality of \(E\) as a vector space over \(F\), reinforcing the conclusion that \(E = F\) under the condition that \([E:F] = 1\).
  • Peter acknowledges the correction regarding notation and expresses appreciation for the assistance received.

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Participants generally agree on the mathematical reasoning regarding field extensions and the implications of their degrees, although there is some initial confusion regarding notation. The discussion remains focused on clarifying these concepts without reaching a definitive consensus on the implications of the specific example.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes potential limitations related to notation and the assumptions underlying the proofs presented. The exact nature of the relationship between \(\mathbb{Q}(u)\) and \(\mathbb{Q}(u^2)\) is contingent on the definitions and properties of field extensions.

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xample 13 from Nicholson: Introduction to Abstract Algebra, Section 6.2, page 282 reads as follows: (see attachment)

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Example 13: If u = \sqrt[3]{2} show that \mathbb{Q}(u) = \mathbb{Q}(u)^2

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The solution comes down to the following:

Given \mathbb{Q}(u) \supseteq \mathbb{Q}(u)^2 \supseteq \mathbb{Q}

so [ \mathbb{Q}(u) \ : \ \mathbb{Q}] = [ \mathbb{Q}(u) \ : \ \mathbb{Q}(u)^2] \ [ \mathbb{Q}(u)^2 \ : \ \mathbb{Q} ]

Now Nicholson shows that [ \mathbb{Q}(u) \ : \ \mathbb{Q}] = 3 and [ \mathbb{Q}(u)^2 \ : \ \mathbb{Q} ] = 3

so [ \mathbb{Q}(u) \ : \ \mathbb{Q}(u)^2] = 1

Then Nicholson (I think) concludes that \mathbb{Q}(u) = \mathbb{Q}(u)^2

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My problem is as follows:

How (exactly) does it follow that:

[ \mathbb{Q}(u) \ : \ \mathbb{Q}(u)^2] = 1 \Longrightarrow \mathbb{Q}(u) = \mathbb{Q}(u)^2

Can someone help?

Peter
 
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Peter said:
xample 13 from Nicholson: Introduction to Abstract Algebra, Section 6.2, page 282 reads as follows: (see attachment)

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Example 13: If u = \sqrt[3]{2} show that \mathbb{Q}(u) = \mathbb{Q}(u)^2

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

The solution comes down to the following:

Given \mathbb{Q}(u) \supseteq \mathbb{Q}(u)^2 \supseteq \mathbb{Q}

so [ \mathbb{Q}(u) \ : \ \mathbb{Q}] = [ \mathbb{Q}(u) \ : \ \mathbb{Q}(u)^2] \ [ \mathbb{Q}(u)^2 \ : \ \mathbb{Q} ]

Now Nicholson shows that [ \mathbb{Q}(u) \ : \ \mathbb{Q}] = 3 and [ \mathbb{Q}(u)^2 \ : \ \mathbb{Q} ] = 3

so [ \mathbb{Q}(u) \ : \ \mathbb{Q}(u)^2] = 1

Then Nicholson (I think) concludes that \mathbb{Q}(u) = \mathbb{Q}(u)^2

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

My problem is as follows:

How (exactly) does it follow that:

[ \mathbb{Q}(u) \ : \ \mathbb{Q}(u)^2] = 1 \Longrightarrow \mathbb{Q}(u) = \mathbb{Q}(u)^2

Can someone help?

Peter
I'd like to point put that the notation you are using is incorrect (or at least not standard). You write $\mathbb Q(u)^2$. I think you mean $\mathbb Q(u^2)$.

Now. We prove the following general fact.

Let $E$ be an extension of a field $F$ with $[E:F]=1$. Then $E=F$.

Proof: Suppose not. Then there is an element $a \in E\setminus F$. Clearly $a$ is algebraic over $F$. But since $[E:F(a)][F(a):F]=[E:F]=1$, we must have $[F(a):F]=1$. This forces $a\in F$ (as discussed in one of your previous threads). Thus we arrive at a contradiction. Thus $E=F$.

From here it is easy to see that $[\mathbb Q(u):\mathbb Q(u^2)]=1$ gives $\mathbb Q(u)=\mathbb Q(u^2)$ by putting $E=\mathbb Q(u)$ and $F=\mathbb Q(u^2)$ in the above claim.
 
caffeinemachine said:
I'd like to point put that the notation you are using is incorrect (or at least not standard). You write $\mathbb Q(u)^2$. I think you mean $\mathbb Q(u^2)$.

Now. We prove the following general fact.

Let $E$ be an extension of a field $F$ with $[E:F]=1$. Then $E=F$.

Proof: Suppose not. Then there is an element $a \in E\setminus F$. Clearly $a$ is algebraic over $F$. But since $[E:F(a)][F(a):F]=[E:F]=1$, we must have $[F(a):F]=1$. This forces $a\in F$ (as discussed in one of your previous threads). Thus we arrive at a contradiction. Thus $E=F$.

From here it is easy to see that $[\mathbb Q(u):\mathbb Q(u^2)]=1$ gives $\mathbb Q(u)=\mathbb Q(u^2)$ by putting $E=\mathbb Q(u)$ and $F=\mathbb Q(u^2)$ in the above claim.

Thanks caffeinemachine.

Yes, notation was wrong ... Was a typo, but you are correct to point it out!

Peter
 
Another approach:

Suppose $[E:F] = 1$ with $E$ algebraic over $F$, and assume $a \in E\setminus F$.

Then $a$ satisfies a polynomial of degree 1 in $F[x]$, say:

$f(x) = c_0 + c_1x$, where $c_1 \neq 0$.

Thus $c_0 + c_1a = 0$ so that: $a = -\dfrac{c_0}{c_1} \in F$, contradiction.

Thus $E = F$.

Yet another way to see this:

If $[E:F] = 1$, then $E$ as a vector space over $F$ has dimension 1. Since $1 \neq 0$ in $F$, we see that $\{1\}$ is a basis for $E$ over $F$, and hence any element $a \in E$ is of the form:

$a = c_0(1) = c_0$ for some $c_0 \in F$, that is: $E \subseteq F$, and since $F \subseteq E$ is trivial, we must have $E = F$.
 
Deveno said:
Another approach:

Suppose $[E:F] = 1$ with $E$ algebraic over $F$, and assume $a \in E\setminus F$.

Then $a$ satisfies a polynomial of degree 1 in $F[x]$, say:

$f(x) = c_0 + c_1x$, where $c_1 \neq 0$.

Thus $c_0 + c_1a = 0$ so that: $a = -\dfrac{c_0}{c_1} \in F$, contradiction.

Thus $E = F$.

Yet another way to see this:

If $[E:F] = 1$, then $E$ as a vector space over $F$ has dimension 1. Since $1 \neq 0$ in $F$, we see that $\{1\}$ is a basis for $E$ over $F$, and hence any element $a \in E$ is of the form:

$a = c_0(1) = c_0$ for some $c_0 \in F$, that is: $E \subseteq F$, and since $F \subseteq E$ is trivial, we must have $E = F$.
Thanks Deveno. Appreciate your help.

Peter
 

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