Figuring out relationships with graphs

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The discussion revolves around analyzing a graph that depicts the relationship between skid distance and cone length as part of a lab assignment. The original poster expresses difficulty in interpreting the graph and determining the nature of the relationship between the two variables.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore whether the relationship is inverse or exponential based on the graph's curvature. Questions arise about the implications of the data points and the nature of the relationship.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the data and questioning the assumptions regarding the relationship between skid distance and cone length. Some guidance has been offered regarding the interpretation of the graph, but no consensus has been reached on the exact nature of the relationship.

Contextual Notes

The original poster provides data points for different cone lengths and corresponding skid distances, raising questions about the influence of mass and friction on the results. There is acknowledgment of the limitations in the data set and the potential for multiple interpretations of the relationship.

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Ok, so as part of a lab, I had to make an excel graph of the relationship between skid distance and cone length (if you want to know more, look at my post below about science fair which was posted yesterday at 6:25 pm). Anyways, I made the graph and I can't tell the relationship between the two variables. I am just a freshman with little math behind me, so I can't quite determine the relationship just by looking at it. Please give me soem tips on determining the relationship as shown on my graph. (I tried to attach it, but the site said it was invalid, so I can't)
Thanks!
 
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Could you describe it? Or perhaps you could sopy it into an image editing program and attached it as an image?

~H
 
ok, I uploaded it...can we just say it is an inverse relationship?
 

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Well, I'll let you start. Does skid distance increase or decrease with increasing cone length?

~H
 
it decreases in this portion of the graph
 
so wouldn't it just be an inverse relationship because as cone length increases, skid distance decreases?
 
oooo said:
so wouldn't it just be an inverse relationship because as cone length increases, skid distance decreases?

Almost but the curve isn't a straight line is it? What kind of curve does it look like?

~H
 
its exponential. what does that mean about skid distance and cone length?
I knew it didn't look like an inverse function, but in theory shouldn't it have been?
 
Yeah, there aren't enough data points to confirm, it could either be an inverse square relationship or an exponential decay. I'm gona go and have a look at your other thread now to see what you were actually invesitgating.

~H
 
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ok, i appreciate it
 
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From what you have said and the diagram you have supplied, I would have expected that cone length to be independent of skid length. I would therefore have expected to obtain a horizontal line. Interesting...hmmm

~H
 
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my data:

10 cm cone: skid distance= 38.9 cm
15 cm cone: skid distance= 22 cm
20 cm cone: s.d.= 12.5 cm
25 cm cone: s.d.= 10 cm
30 cm cone: s.d. = 9.2 cm

Now, I know that friction is independent of surface area because the reduction of pressure with increased skid distance offsets the increase in friction. But, each cone does have a different mass, and so does the decreasing pressure not completely offset the friction between these trials?
 
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oooo said:
my data:

10 cm cone: skid distance= 38.9 cm
15 cm cone: skid distance= 22 cm
20 cm cone: s.d.= 12.5 cm
25 cm cone: s.d.= 10 cm
30 cm cone: s.d. = 9.2 cm

Now, I know that friction is independent of surface area because the reduction of pressure with increased skid distance offsets the increase in friction. But, each cone does have a different mass, and so does the decreasing pressure not completely offset the friction between these trials?

Ahh, I forgot you are taking mass into account. Yes, this may explain it, however, the decrease seem rather rapid. Have you calculated the changes in kinetic friction with respect to mass?

~H
 
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these cones are made of paper, so is the difference between the masses of the cones negligible?
 
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oooo said:
these cones are made of paper, so is the difference between the masses of the cones negligible?

That's what I was thinking when I said the decrease seems rather rapid. I think its best to wait and see if anyone else has any ideas, cos I'm fresh out :confused:

~H
 
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ok, thanks so much for all your help!
 

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