Final speed of ball : collision with vertical plank at top

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving the final speed of a ball colliding with a vertical plank at the top. The subject area includes concepts of momentum conservation, angular momentum, and kinetic energy in the context of collisions and rotational motion.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • The original poster attempts to derive equations related to momentum and energy conservation for the collision scenario. They question the validity of their equations and whether the motion of the plank can be treated as pure rotation about a pivot. Some participants raise concerns about the assumptions made regarding forces at the pivot and the choice of the axis for angular momentum calculations.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing feedback on the equations presented. There is a focus on clarifying the assumptions related to the pivot and the implications for conservation laws. Some guidance has been offered regarding the selection of the axis of rotation.

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Participants are exploring the implications of potential horizontal forces at the pivot and how this affects the conservation of momentum and angular momentum in the problem setup.

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I have solved the first part already.
For the 2nd part, I am writing the relevant eqns.

Can I take motion of the plank as a pure rotation about the pivot ?
Quantities corresponding to pivot is subscripted by p.
Conservation of momentum gives,
## mv_0 =mv_f + MV_f ## (1)
Conservation of Angular momentum about the pivot gives,
##2mv_0 l = 2mv_f l+ [ I_p \omega_p = I_{cen} \omega_{cen} + MV_f R] ~~~~~~(2)
\\ \omega_p = \omega_{cen} = V_f/l ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~(3)
\\ mv_0 = mv_f + \frac { 2MV_f } 3 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~(4) ## which contradicts eqn. (1)

Conservation of kinetic energy,
## \frac 1 2 m v_0^2 = \frac 1 2 m v_f^2 + [\frac 1 2 I_{p} ω^2 = \frac 1 2 I_{cen} ω^2 + \frac 1 2 M V_f^2] ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~(5)##

Are these equations correct?
 
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I think eq (1) is not correct as the pivot may exist force in horizontal direction,too.
 
Pushoam said:
I think eq (1) is not correct as the pivot may exist force in horizontal direction,too.
Quite so. Likewise, to be able to ignore this for conservation of angular momentum you must use the pivot as the axis.

(You mean "exert".)
 
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haruspex said:
Likewise, to be able to ignore this for conservation of angular momentum you must use the pivot as the axis.

Thanks for giving a reason for this "must". I was looking for it.This adds to my intelligence of selecting proper axis of rotation for a given problem.
 
haruspex said:
(You mean "exert".)
Yes.
 

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