Conservation laws - Ball hitting a rod about its end

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The discussion revolves around the conservation laws applied to a scenario where a ball collides with a rod pivoting about its end. The subject area includes concepts of linear momentum, kinetic energy, and angular momentum in the context of elastic collisions.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to apply conservation laws for linear momentum, kinetic energy, and angular momentum to analyze the collision. Some participants suggest focusing on angular momentum at the moment of impact for simplification. Others discuss deriving relationships between velocities and angular velocities using energy equations.

Discussion Status

The discussion is progressing with participants validating each other's reasoning and calculations. Some guidance is offered regarding the clarity of assumptions and the importance of visualizing the problem to check results. There is an ongoing exploration of the implications of energy conservation in the system.

Contextual Notes

Participants are considering the assumptions of no external forces and the nature of the collision being elastic. There is also mention of potential confusion due to the complexity of the equations involved.

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Homework Statement


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Homework Equations


v = wr
K_total = 1/2Mv^2 + 1/2Iw^2
L = Iw
p = mv

The Attempt at a Solution


a. No friction or other outside forces are acting on the system, so linear momentum is conserved.

The collision is elastic, so kinetic energy is conserved.

There are no external torques so angular momentum is also conserved.

b. We can now write our conservation laws:

Linear momentum: Mv_0 = Mv_f + Mv_f
Energy: 1/2Mv_0^2 = 1/2Mv_f^2 + 1/2Iw_f^2
Angular momentum: MRv_0 = Iw + MRv_f

Is my thinking correct so far?
 
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So far so good.
Take conservation of angular momentum at the instant of impact to make the maths easy.
 
I or a rod rotating about its center = ML^2/12

From linear momentum, the velocity of the ball and center of rod is given by Mv_0 = 2Mv_f, or v_f = v_0/2

To find the angular velocity, we can use our energy equation and plug in v_f:
1/2Mv_0^2 = 1/2M*(v_0^2 /4) +1/2*(ML^2/12)*w_f^2
1/2Mv_0^2 = 1/8Mv_0^2 + ML^2w_f^2/24
3/8v_0^2 = L^2w_f^2/24
9v_0^2/L^2 = w_f^2
w_f = 3v_0/L

How does that look?
 
The reasoning works OK.
So long as you are clear about the "before" and "after" situations.

Did you account for energy stored in the rotation (my eyes cross when there are so many symbols and numbers)?
I'm guessing you are assuming the ball is sliding and not rolling?

What you really need is some way to check your own results instead of relying on someone else to tell you you've got it right or not.

One way to do that is the sketch the situation before and after, putting little arrows on to indicate what you've calculated, and looking to see if it makes sense. If you have a smooth surface handy - vinyl table top say - you can even do a mini experiment.
 

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