Final speed of particle far away from rings with opposite charges

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The discussion revolves around determining the final speed of a particle influenced by two rings with opposite charges. Participants are exploring the implications of different mathematical expressions and their acceptability in the context of an automatically graded question.

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  • Participants are questioning the correctness of their answers and the grading system's reliability. There is discussion about the various forms of the expression for speed and whether certain formats are acceptable. Some participants express uncertainty about the grading criteria and the potential for differing interpretations of the same mathematical expression.

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The conversation is ongoing, with participants sharing their experiences and uncertainties regarding the grading of their answers. Some have offered insights into acceptable formats for expressions, while others are still seeking clarity on the official answer and the grading process.

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There are mentions of the question being automatically graded, which raises concerns about the evaluation of different algebraic forms. Participants also reference external sources for potential solutions, indicating a lack of consensus on the correct answer.

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As shown in the figure, a pair of rings of radius R are separated by a distance AR, where A=4, and are aligned with their symmetry axes along the z-axis. The rings have equal but opposite charges. The ring on the left carries charge -q, and the ring on the right carries charge q.

A positively charged particle with charge Q and mass m is released from rest on the z-axis a distance BR, where B = 3 to the right of the midpoint between the charged rings.

Derive an expression for the final speed v of the particle when it is very far away from the ring system in terms of the Coulomb constant k. Keep numerical values exact
Relevant Equations
V = kq/r
U = vq
KE = 1/2mv^2
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When I submitted it, this answer was incorrect.
 
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Looks right.
 
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risakapal said:
When I submitted it, this answer was incorrect.
It's not a good idea to update a post after someone has replied, as I didn't see this update. You should have added a new post to this thread.
 
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risakapal said:
When I submitted it, this answer was incorrect.
Do you know what the official answer is?
Is it checked by software or a person?
The expression could be put in various forms, e.g. ##\sqrt{\frac {kQq\sqrt 2}{mR}(1-\frac 1{\sqrt{13}})}##
 
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haruspex said:
Do you know what the official answer is?
Is it checked by software or a person?
The expression could be put in various forms, e.g. ##\sqrt{\frac {kQq\sqrt 2}{mR}(1-\frac 1{\sqrt{13}})}##
I do not know the official answer. The question is automatically graded. Previously, I have not had issues with the form of the expression, but it may be the case here?
 
risakapal said:
I do not know the official answer. The question is automatically graded. Previously, I have not had issues with the form of the expression, but it may be the case here?
Maybe.
I see the identical question at https://www.chegg.com/homework-help...gned-symmetry-axes-along-axis-rings-q67223093, where it claims it to be solved, but the solution is paywalled.

Anyone have a Chegg account? I'm not hopeful that a) their solution is correct, and b) differs from yours.
 
risakapal said:
I do not know the official answer. The question is automatically graded. Previously, I have not had issues with the form of the expression, but it may be the case here?
I don't see how you could agree on an exact format for an expression like that. For example, there are some people who believe you should never have a square root in a denominator.
 
The answer $$ v = \sqrt { \frac { k Q q \sqrt { 2 } } { m R } ( 1 - \frac { 1 } { \sqrt { 13 } } ) } $$ is definitely a correct and acceptable answer. But the answer in a form like $$ v = \sqrt { 1,022 \frac { k Q q } { m R } } $$ is not a correct answer because numerical values must be kept exact.
 
PeroK said:
I don't see how you could agree on an exact format for an expression like that. For example, there are some people who believe you should never have a square root in a denominator.
I don't know how smart these systems can be at checking equivalence of algebraic forms.
 
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It worked! I simplified the 1/x1/2. Thanks for the help.
 

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