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The discussion revolves around a problem related to the physical limitations of an electrical clock modeled by an LRC circuit. Participants are exploring the implications of component values on the clock's operation and the nature of oscillations within the circuit.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Participants are questioning whether the clock can run indefinitely and how the values of resistance (R), capacitance (C), and inductance (L) may change over time. There are discussions about the oscillatory behavior of current and the implications of having R equal to zero.

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There is an ongoing exploration of the physical feasibility of certain assumptions, such as the possibility of R being zero and the implications for the clock's frequency and detection of current levels. Some participants are providing insights into the limitations of real-world circuits and the behavior of the components over time.

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Participants note that the problem specifies the presence of a resistor, which raises questions about the physical limitations of the circuit. There is also mention of practical constraints in detecting low current levels in real-world applications.

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Part (d) of problem 1 here: http://faculty.washington.edu/joelzy/402_502_W13_hw4.pdf

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I have (I(t) I'(t))T = cos(t/√(LC))k1 + sin(t/√(LC))k2, some k1, k2 ε ℂ2 for my solution and so I know that decreasing the value of LC increases the ticking frequency of this clock.

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But I'm at a loss for what to put for this "discuss some physical limitations" thing. Thoughts?
 
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For one thing - do you think this clock will run forever? Even if so, does the current level stay constant or does it get harder to detect over time? Do the values of R, C and L change in any way over time?
 


rude man said:
For one thing - do you think this clock will run forever?

Theoretically, yes.

Even if so, does the current level stay constant or does it get harder to detect over time?

Well, it oscillates, since current is V = RI, R is constant, I is oscillating.

Do the values of R, C and L change in any way over time?

I don't really know since I'm not an electrical engineer
 


I do not see any dependence of the solution on R. How come?
 


voko said:
I do not see any dependence of the solution on R. How come?

If we want it to tick with a constant frequency, then we want the node to be a center, so we want R=0. Right? We want I(t)=0 periodically.
 


Jamin2112 said:
Theoretically, yes.



Well, it oscillates, since current is V = RI, R is constant, I is oscillating.



I don't really know since I'm not an electrical engineer

Does it seem reasonale to assume that whatever circuit you use to detect the zero crossings of the current has a limitation as to how low the current can be before it can't tell the difference between that low level and zero?

And BTW you can't have R = 0 in real life. Besides, the problem specifies a resistor.

And FYI R, C and L do change over time & environment. That's why crystal oscillators are used in your PC!
 


Jamin2112 said:
If we want it to tick with a constant frequency, then we want the node to be a center, so we want R=0. Right? We want I(t)=0 periodically.

Do you think it is physically possible to have R = 0? The circuit is called LRC for a reason.
 


voko said:
Do you think it is physically possible to have R = 0? The circuit is called LRC for a reason.

Isn't my intuition right, though, that we want the vector field of (I I')T to be something circling the origin forever?
 


Is that possible with R > 0?
 

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