RLC Circuit time for Energy to drop to 20% of initial value

In summary, we are trying to find the time required for the maximum energy in an oscillating series RLC circuit, with resistance R and inductance L, to fall to 1/5 its initial value. We assume that q = Q at t = 0 and use the equations ## U(t) = \frac{Q^2}{2C}e^{\frac{-Rt}{L}}\cos^2(\omega't+\phi) ##, ## U_0 = \frac{Q^2}{2C} ##, and ## \omega' = \sqrt(\frac{1}{LC} - \frac{R}{2L}^2) ## to solve for t in terms of R and
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Homework Statement


In an oscillating series RLC circuit, with resistance R and inductance L, find the time required for the maximum energy in the capacitor during an oscillation to fall to 1/5 its initial value. Assume q = Q at t = 0

Homework Equations


## U(t) = \frac{Q^2}{2C}e^{\frac{-Rt}{L}}\cos^2(\omega't+\phi) ##
## U_0 = \frac{Q^2}{2C} ##
## \omega' = \sqrt(\frac{1}{LC} - \frac{R}{2L}^2) ##

The Attempt at a Solution


## 0.5 \frac{Q^2}{2C} = \frac{Q^2}{2C}e^{\frac{-Rt}{L}}\cos^2(\omega't+\phi) ##
## 0.5 = e^{\frac{-Rt}{L}}\cos^2(\omega't+\phi) ##

Since q = Q @ t=0, I dropped the phase angle:
## 0.5 = e^{\frac{-Rt}{L}}\cos^2(\omega't) ##

I'm not even sure on how to begin solving this without getting that t out of the cosine squared. To do this I would either need to add some other ## \sin(t)^2 ## to get ## \cos(t)^2 + \sin(t)^2 = 1 ## on the resulting function or I would need to find some expression ## \cos(t) = \frac{adj}{hyp} ##

Any hints, tips? Thanks.
 
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lulzury said:

Homework Statement


In an oscillating series RLC circuit, with resistance R and inductance L, find the time required for the maximum energy in the capacitor during an oscillation to fall to 1/5 its initial value. Assume q = Q at t = 0

Homework Equations


## U(t) = \frac{Q^2}{2C}e^{\frac{-Rt}{L}}\cos^2(\omega't+\phi) ##
## U_0 = \frac{Q^2}{2C} ##
## \omega' = \sqrt(\frac{1}{LC} - \frac{R}{2L}^2) ##

The Attempt at a Solution


## 0.5 \frac{Q^2}{2C} = \frac{Q^2}{2C}e^{\frac{-Rt}{L}}\cos^2(\omega't+\phi) ##
## 0.5 = e^{\frac{-Rt}{L}}\cos^2(\omega't+\phi) ##
Since q = Q @ t=0, I dropped the phase angle:
## 0.5 = e^{\frac{-Rt}{L}}\cos^2(\omega't) ##

I'm not even sure on how to begin solving this without getting that t out of the cosine squared. To do this I would either need to add some other ## \sin(t)^2 ## to get ## \cos(t)^2 + \sin(t)^2 = 1 ## on the resulting function or I would need to find some expression ## \cos(t) = \frac{adj}{hyp} ##

Any hints, tips? Thanks.

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find the time required for the maximum energy in the capacitor during an oscillation to fall to 1/5 its initial value
Assuming weak damping, what is cos(ω't) when the energy of the capacitor is maximum?
The energy should drop to 1/5 of its initial value. You worked with 1/2.
 
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Sorry that was a mistake on my part. That should be:

## 0.2 = e^{\frac{-Rt}{L}}\cos^2(\omega't) ##
## cos(\omega t) = 1 ## when the energy of the capacitor is maximum which is why I dropped it on the equation for ## U_0 = \frac{Q^2}{2C} ##
 
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lulzury said:
Sorry that was a mistake on my part. That should be:

## 0.2 = e^{\frac{-Rt}{L}}\cos^2(\omega't) ##
## cos(\omega t) = 1 ## when the energy of the capacitor is maximum which is why I dropped it on the equation for ## U_0 = \frac{Q^2}{2C} ##
Then you have the equation ## 0.2 = e^{\frac{-Rt}{L}} ## . Solve for t in terms of R and L.
 
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Then you have the equation 0.2=

Then you have the equation ## 0.2 = e^{\frac{-Rt}{L}} ## . Solve for t in terms of R and L.
Thanks, I think I see. To clarify, do we throw the cosine portion away because @ ## 1/5 U_0 ## we'll be at a local peak for the decaying energy in the RLC circuit? How do we know this?
 
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lulzury said:
Thanks, I think I see. To clarify, do we throw the cosine portion away because @ ## 1/5 U_0 ## we'll be at a local peak for the decaying energy in the RLC circuit? How do we know this?
Assuming the period of the cosine term is much shorter than the time constant L/R of the decay, the local maxima of the energy are where the cosine is maximum. You can find it if you take the derivative of the energy with respect time and make it equal to zero. You get a term with the factor R/L and the other with the factor ω'. If R/(Lω') is much less than 1, the local extrema are where sin(ω't)=0, that is cos(2(ω't)=1.
The exponential factor is envelope of the cos2 factor, so the time when the exponential is 1/5 does not need to be exactly at a local maximum, but it is within half period distance from it. For short period, it is a good approximation.
 
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Assuming the period of the cosine term is much shorter than the time constant L/R of the decay, the local maxima of the energy are where the cosine is maximum. You can find it if you take the derivative of the energy with respect time and make it equal to zero. You get a term with the factor R/L and the other with the factor ω'. If R/(Lω') is much less than 1, the local extrema are where sin(ω't)=0, that is cos(2(ω't)=1.
The exponential factor is envelope of the cos2 factor, so the time when the exponential is 1/5 does not need to be exactly at a local maximum, but it is within half period distance from it. For short period, it is a good approximation.
Thank you for this explanation and for your time in helping me understand this problem.
 
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lulzury said:
Thank you for this explanation and for your time in helping me understand this problem.
You are welcome :oldsmile:
 

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What is an RLC circuit?

An RLC circuit is an electrical circuit that consists of a resistor (R), an inductor (L), and a capacitor (C). It is used to study the behavior of electrical currents and voltages in a circuit.

How does an RLC circuit work?

An RLC circuit works by creating an oscillating current and voltage through the interaction of the resistor, inductor, and capacitor. The inductor stores energy in its magnetic field, while the capacitor stores energy in its electric field. The resistor dissipates energy as heat.

What affects the time for energy to drop to 20% of its initial value in an RLC circuit?

The time for energy to drop to 20% of its initial value in an RLC circuit is affected by the values of the components (resistor, inductor, and capacitor) and the initial energy stored in the circuit. It also depends on external factors such as temperature and resistance in the circuit.

How can I calculate the time for energy to drop to 20% of its initial value in an RLC circuit?

The time for energy to drop to 20% of its initial value in an RLC circuit can be calculated using the formula t = 2π√(LC), where t is the time in seconds, L is the inductance in henries, and C is the capacitance in farads. This is known as the natural frequency of the circuit.

What are some practical applications of RLC circuits?

RLC circuits are commonly used in electronic devices such as radios, televisions, and computers to tune frequencies and filter out unwanted signals. They are also used in power transmission and distribution systems to maintain a stable power supply. Additionally, RLC circuits are used in scientific research and experiments to study electrical phenomena and behavior.

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