Find 2 eigenvectors given an eigenvalue, and find remaining eigenvalue

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The discussion revolves around finding two eigenvectors given an eigenvalue of 5 and determining the remaining eigenvalue of a matrix. The participants are exploring the process of solving for eigenvectors and the implications of their linear combinations.

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  • Participants discuss the row reduction of the matrix and the interpretation of the resulting equations. There are questions about the representation of eigenvectors and the reasoning behind splitting a vector into two components. Some participants express confusion about notation and the implications of free variables in the context of eigenvectors.

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The discussion is active, with participants clarifying their understanding of eigenvectors and the process of deriving them from the eigenvalue. Some guidance has been provided regarding the representation of eigenvectors as linear combinations, but there is no explicit consensus on the final form of the eigenvectors.

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Participants note potential errors in previous solutions and emphasize the importance of careful notation and assumptions in the problem setup. There is an acknowledgment of the need for clarity in the definitions and properties of eigenvalues and eigenvectors.

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Could someone please walk me through answering this question:

PfNOw.png
it looks easy but i forgot how to do it -__-

i did A - lamda I = 0, substituted lamda = 5, then my matrix became

0 4 4
0 -2 -2
0 -2 -2

so i put in the form of A|b where b was a zero vector and i row reduced, getting
0 1 1 | 0
0 0 0 | 0
0 0 0 | 0

and now i don't know what to do.

apparently the answer is {(1,0,0),(0,-1,1)}

any help please?

edit: there have been some silly errors to other solutions for this particular past paper, like a missing - sign. just a heads up in case the answer is a tad wrong.
 
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imsleepy said:
Could someone please walk me through answering this question:

PfNOw.png



it looks easy but i forgot how to do it -__-

i did A - lamda I = 0, substituted lamda = 5, then my matrix became

0 4 4
0 -2 -2
0 -2 -2

so i put in the form of A|b where b was a zero vector and i row reduced, getting
0 1 1 | 0
0 0 0 | 0
0 0 0 | 0

and now i don't know what to do.
This is a system of one equation in three variables, so there are two variables that are free.

The nonzero row represents the equation x2 + x3 = 0.
To get all three variables involved, we can write
x1 = x1
x2 = -x3
x3 = x3

So any vector x that is an eigenvector for the eigenvalue 5 is a linear combination of two vectors. Can you see them here?
imsleepy said:
apparently the answer is {(1,0,0),(0,-1,1)}

any help please?

edit: there have been some silly errors to other solutions for this particular past paper, like a missing - sign. just a heads up in case the answer is a tad wrong.
 
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i sort of get it...

what do you mean when you say x3 = x ?

the worked solutions that i have say eigenvectors are:

(x1,x2,x3) = (x1,-x3,x3)
which makes sense to me

but then they split it up:
(x1,x2,x3) = (x1,-x3,x3) = (x1,0,0) + (0,-x3,x3)

then take x1 and x3 out the front as arbitrary non-zero constants (which i get).

Why do they split up (x1,-x3,x3), is it only because the question is asking for 2 eigenvectors?
and in that case can you just split it up any way so that when you add them they still equal to (x1,-x3,x3)?
 
imsleepy said:
i sort of get it...

what do you mean when you say x3 = x ?
That should have said x3 = x3. I neglected to get the subscript in between my [ sub] tags. I fixed it in my earlier post.
imsleepy said:
the worked solutions that i have say eigenvectors are:

(x1,x2,x3) = (x1,-x3,x3)
which makes sense to me

but then they split it up:
(x1,x2,x3) = (x1,-x3,x3) = (x1,0,0) + (0,-x3,x3)

then take x1 and x3 out the front as arbitrary non-zero constants (which i get).

Why do they split up (x1,-x3,x3), is it only because the question is asking for 2 eigenvectors?
and in that case can you just split it up any way so that when you add them they still equal to (x1,-x3,x3)?

They split <x1, -x3, x3> to get two vectors.
<x1, -x3, x3> = x1<1, 0, 0> + x3<0, -1, 1>. Since x1 and x3 are arbitrary, this represents all linear combinations of <1, 0, 0> and <0, -1, 1>.

(All vectors are column vectors here.>
 
ohhhhhhhhh i get it now, they split it up into the 2 vectors, one vector includes only the x1 component and the other one only includes the x3 components.

thanks a lot :)
 
Keep that trick in mind! It comes in handy in a lot of problems...
 
Personally, I prefer to use the basic definition of "eigenvalue" to find the eigenvectors.
"[itex]\lambda[/itex] is an eigenvalue of A if and only if there exist a non-zero vector v such that [itex]Av= \lambda v[/itex]".

If 5 is an eigenvalue the there exist a vector <x, y, z> such that
[tex]\begin{bmatrix}5 & 4 & 4 \\ 0 & 3 & -2 \\ 0 & -2 & 3\end{bmatrix}\begin{bmatrix}x \\ y \\ z\end{bmatrix}= \begin{bmatrix}5x \\ 5y \\ 5z\enmd{bmatrix}<br /> <br /> Which is the same as the three equations 5x+ 4y+ 4z= 5x, 3y- 2z= 5y, and -2y+ 3z= 5z or 4y+ 4z= 0, -2z= 2y, and -2y= 2z, all of which reduce to y= -z. Since there is no "x" in those equations, x can be anything and so an eigenvector can be written as <x, y, -y>= <x, 0, 0>+ <0, y, -y>= x<1, 0, 0>+ y<0, 1, -1>[/tex]
 

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