Find a basis for W which is subset of V

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The discussion revolves around finding a basis for the subset W of the vector space V, where V is defined in terms of trigonometric functions of t. The original poster attempts to establish W as a subspace of V and proposes a basis for W based on their calculations.

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  • The original poster presents their reasoning for the basis of W and asserts the linear independence of its elements. Other participants question the clarity of the original poster's equations and suggest a more precise formulation of the relationship between q(t) and V.

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Some participants provide feedback on the original poster's approach, indicating that while the underlying method may be correct, the presentation could be improved for clarity. There is an ongoing exploration of the definitions and relationships involved in the problem.

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The original poster's proof is noted to potentially lack clarity, particularly in how they equate the vector space V with a single vector. This raises questions about the assumptions made in their calculations.

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Homework Statement
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Relevant Equations
Span
Linear Independent
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I think I can prove W is a subspace of V. I want to ask about basis of W.

Let $$V = a_1+a_2 \sin t+a_3 \cos t +a_4 \sin (2t)+a_5 \cos (2t)$$
$$W = p(t) = q"(t) + q(t)$$
$$=-a_2 \sin t-a_3 \cos t-4a_4 \sin (2t)-4a_5 \cos(2t)+a_1+a_2 \sin t+a_3 \cos t +a_4 \sin (2t)+a_5 \cos (2t)$$
$$=a_1-3a_4 \sin (2t) -3a_5 \cos (2t)$$
Since all elements in W are linearly independent, the basis for W is {1, sin (2t), cos (2t)}

Am I correct? Thanks
 
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Yes. If B is a basis for V and L : V \to \dots is a linear map, then L(B) spans L(V). If the non-zero elements of L(B) are linearly independent then they will be a basis for L(V).
 
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Thank you very much pasmith
 
songoku said:
Homework Statement: Please see below
Relevant Equations: Span
Linear Independent

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I think I can prove W is a subspace of V. I want to ask about basis of W.

Let $$V = a_1+a_2 \sin t+a_3 \cos t +a_4 \sin (2t)+a_5 \cos (2t)$$
$$W = p(t) = q"(t) + q(t)$$
$$=-a_2 \sin t-a_3 \cos t-4a_4 \sin (2t)-4a_5 \cos(2t)+a_1+a_2 \sin t+a_3 \cos t +a_4 \sin (2t)+a_5 \cos (2t)$$
$$=a_1-3a_4 \sin (2t) -3a_5 \cos (2t)$$
Since all elements in W are linearly independent, the basis for W is {1, sin (2t), cos (2t)}

Am I correct? Thanks
Your underlying method is correct but perhaps your proof could be improved.

Your equation
##V = a_1+a_2 \sin t+a_3 \cos t +a_4 \sin (2t)+a_5 \cos (2t)##
looks like you have the space ##V## on the left side and a single vector on the right side. You can’t equate these two different things.

A similar comment applies to ##W = p(t) = q"(t) + q(t)##.

A better way to start might be to say:
Since ##q(t) \in V## we can express ##q(t)## most generally as:
##q(t) = a_1+a_2 \sin t+a_3 \cos t +a_4 \sin (2t)+a_5 \cos (2t)##
And take it from there.
 
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Ah ok, thank you very much Steve4Physics
 

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