Find All local maxima and minima and all saddle points of the function

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The discussion revolves around finding local maxima, minima, and saddle points for the function f(x, y) = x² - 4xy + 6x - 8y + 2y² + 10. Participants are analyzing critical points and the second derivative test.

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  • Participants discuss the calculation of first and second derivatives, critical points, and the application of the second derivative test. There is a focus on determining the nature of the critical point at (-1, 1) and whether it is a saddle point or a minimum.

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Some participants have provided calculations regarding the second derivatives and their implications for the critical point. There is ongoing debate about the classification of the critical point and the sufficiency of information regarding local extrema.

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Participants question the assumptions made about the function's domain and the implications for identifying local extrema.

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Homework Statement


## f\left( x,y\right) =x^{2}-4xy+6x-8y+2y^{2}+10 ##

## f_{x}=2x-4y+6=0 ##
## f_{y}=-4x-8+4y=0 ##

## f_{y}=-4\left( x-y+2\right) ##
-2=x-y, then solving fx and using this equality

## f_{x}=0=2\left( x-2y+3\right) =0 ##

2(-2 -y+3)=0
2(1-y)=0
y=1, then pluggin it to values

-2=x-y
-2=x-1
-1=x, So critical points at (-1,1)

fxx(-1,1)fyy(-1,1)-0^2=8, which is greater than zero and fxx is too. Therefore, there is a global minima at (-1,1)

There is no saddle point or global maxima?

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knowLittle said:

Homework Statement


## f\left( x,y\right) =x^{2}-4xy+6x-8y+2y^{2}+10 ##

## f_{x}=2x-4y+6=0 ##
## f_{y}=-4x-8+4y=0 ##

## f_{y}=-4\left( x-y+2\right) ##
-2=x-y, then solving fx and using this equality

## f_{x}=0=2\left( x-2y+3\right) =0 ##

2(-2 -y+3)=0
2(1-y)=0
y=1, then pluggin it to values

-2=x-y
-2=x-1
-1=x, So critical points at (-1,1)

fxx(-1,1)fyy(-1,1)-0^2=8, ...[/b]

Ok until right there. How did you get ##f_{xy}=0\ ##?
 
You are right fxy= -4.

So,
fxx(-1,1)fyy(-1,1)-(-4^2)=
fxx=2;
fyy=4;
8-16=-8
Answer:
So, (-1,1) is a saddle point and there is not enough information(Domain) to find local extrema.

Is this answer correct?
 
knowLittle said:
You are right fxy= -4.

So,
fxx(-1,1)fyy(-1,1)-(-4^2)=
fxx=2;
fyy=4;
8-16=-8
Answer:
So, (-1,1) is a saddle point and there is not enough information(Domain) to find local extrema.

Is this answer correct?

Yes, it is a saddle point. But I wouldn't say "there is not enough information(Domain) to find local extrema". I would say there are no relative extrema.
 

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