Find Basis for diagonal matrix

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The discussion revolves around finding a basis for diagonal matrices, specifically in the context of linear algebra. Participants are exploring the concept of bases in relation to nxn diagonal matrices and how they can be represented as linear combinations of simpler matrices.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants are questioning how to define a basis for diagonal matrices and what such a basis would look like. There is exploration of examples for 2x2 and 3x3 matrices, with some uncertainty about the implications of the notation used in the textbook.

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The discussion is active, with participants sharing their thoughts on what constitutes a basis and attempting to clarify the notation from the textbook. Some have provided examples of matrices that could form a basis, while others are reflecting on the implications of these examples for larger matrices.

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There is mention of confusion regarding the transition from vector bases to matrix bases, as well as uncertainty about the standardization of notation in textbooks. Participants are also considering the implications of the size of the matrix on the number of basis matrices.

Clandry
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I'm not sure how to start this problem.
All i know is a diagonal matrix consists of all 0 elements except along the main diagonal.

But how do I even find a basis for this?
 

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What would a basis look like? It would be set of nxn matrices such that... you can do what with them?
 
haruspex said:
What would a basis look like? It would be set of nxn matrices such that... you can do what with them?

For this case, a basis consists of all matrices such that all nxn diagonal matrices can be written as a linear combination of them?
 
Clandry said:
For this case, a basis consists of all matrices such that all nxn diagonal matrices can be written as a linear combination of them?
Yes. What's the simplest matrix you can think of that might be useful in creating such a basis?
 
haruspex said:
Yes. What's the simplest matrix you can think of that might be useful in creating such a basis?

This is where I get stuck. I've only been taught and done problems where the basis is a set of "vectors."

I saw somewhere that the basis for a 2x2matrix is
1 0
0 0

0 1
0 0

0 0
1 0

0 0
0 1


if it were a 2x2 diagonal would it be
1 0
0 0

and
0 0
0 1
?
 
Ok. Now try 3x3.
 
haruspex said:
Ok. Now try 3x3.

1 0 0
0 0 0
0 0 0

0 0 0
0 1 0
0 0 0

0 0 0
0 0 0
0 0 1if it's an nxn matrix, wouldn't that give an infinite amount of matrices for the bases?The answer in the back of the book is
37. B = {eii | 1 ≤ i ≤ n} the "ii" part is supposed to be subscripts for e. I'm bad at interpreting these kind of answers, what is it saying?
 
Clandry said:
if it's an nxn matrix, wouldn't that give an infinite amount of matrices for the bases?
You had 2 for 2x2 and 3 for 3x3. Why would you get infinitely many for nxn?
 
haruspex said:
You had 2 for 2x2 and 3 for 3x3. Why would you get infinitely many for nxn?

oops i mean n amount.
 
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So you have the answer.
The eii notation used in the book apparently means the nxn matrix that has 1 at the (i, i) position and 0 everywhere else. I don't know how standard that is. Should be defined in the book somewhere.
 

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