Find Critical Points of f(x,y)

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The discussion revolves around finding the critical points of the function f(x,y) = x^3y + xy. Participants are exploring the necessary conditions for critical points by setting the first derivatives to zero.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants are attempting to derive the critical points by solving the equations obtained from the first derivatives. There is a focus on the conditions under which both partial derivatives equal zero.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided insights into the combinations of solutions that could represent critical points. Others have raised questions about the assumptions made during the derivation process and the implications of certain algebraic steps.

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There are indications of confusion regarding the interpretation of results, particularly concerning the implications of negative values in the context of real numbers. Additionally, there is a mention of the need for further analysis to determine the nature of the critical points.

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Homework Statement



Determine the critical points f(x,y) = x^3y + xy

Homework Equations


The Attempt at a Solution



fx(x,y) = 3x^2 + y
3x^2y+y=0
y(3x^2 +1) = 0
y = 0
3x^2=1
x=1/3fy(x,y) = x^3 + x
x^3 + x = 0
x(x^2+1) = 0
x=0
x^2= -1
x= -1

I don't know how to take it from here as I have only seen this done where you substitute y values in equations for x. What are the critical points of the above? Thanks for the help!
 
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so all viable combinations of the solutions you found above, where fx = fy = 0, are critical points

if you want to exmaine the nature of the critical point you will need to consider a type of 2nd derivative test or the hessian matrix
 
Shmoo said:

Homework Statement



Determine the critical points f(x,y) = x^3y + xy

Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution



fx(x,y) = 3x^2 + y
3x^2y+y=0
y(3x^2 +1) = 0
y = 0
3x^2=1
x=1/3
So either y= 0 or x= 1/3.


fy(x,y) = x^3 + x
x^3 + x = 0
x(x^2+1) = 0
x=0
x^2= -1
x= -1
In particular, x= 1/3 does not satisfy this. In order that both equations be satisfied, you must have x= 0, y= 0 or x= -1, y= 0.

I don't know how to take it from here as I have only seen this done where you substitute y values in equations for x. What are the critical points of the above? Thanks for the help!
 
Shmoo said:

The Attempt at a Solution




y(3x^2 +1) = 0
y = 0
3x^2=1
x=1/3

I suppose that you assumed 3x^2+1=0. From here, everything is wrong what you did. From 3x^2+1=0 does not follow that 3x^2=1.
From 3x^2=1 does not come that x=1/3.

Shmoo said:
fy(x,y) = x^3 + x
x^3 + x = 0
x(x^2+1) = 0
x=0
x^2= -1
x= -1

X^2=-1 does not mean that x=-1. Do you know what x^2 means? Can be the square of any real number equal to a negative number?


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