Find depression in wire with hanging mass

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves a wire of unstretched length l that is extended when a mass M is hung from its midpoint. Participants are tasked with finding the depression y of the midpoint of the wire when it is connected between two points A and B at the same horizontal level.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the relationship between tension and the weight of the mass using the equation 2Tsin(theta) = mg. There are attempts to apply Pythagorean theorem and small angle approximations to relate the angles and lengths involved. Questions arise about the stretching of the wire and the relevance of the initial extension of l/1000.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with various participants exploring different interpretations of the problem. Some guidance on using approximations and geometric relationships has been suggested, but there is no explicit consensus on the approach to take.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the initial extension of the wire and its implications for the calculations, but there is uncertainty about how this relates to the overall problem. The context of homework constraints is acknowledged, with one participant stating they already know the answer but are unsure of the derivation.

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Hello: I have the following:

Homework Statement



A wire of unstretched length l is extended by a distance (1/1000)l when a mass M is hung from its bottom end. If this same wire is connected between points A and B that are at a distance l from each other on the same horizontal level, and the mass M is hung from the midpoint of the wire, find the depression y of the midpoint.


Homework Equations


2Tsin(theta) = mg
sin(theta) = y/(the stretched length of l/2).

The Attempt at a Solution



Not sure where to go from there. Would it be safe to say that each half of the wire is stretched by l/2000? Thanks.
 
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Hello bodensee9! :smile:

(have a theta: θ :wink:)
bodensee9 said:
Would it be safe to say that each half of the wire is stretched by l/2000? Thanks.

How did you get that?

Use Pythagoras, and an approximation.
 
I need help with this problem too. 2Tsintheta=mg, and tantheta=2y/l, for small angles tan theta=sin theta, so if we could use that approximation then sin theta=2y/l,...I can also use Pythagoras to find the hypotenuse and then find the real sin theta and equate them to find y, I don't think that's a proper answer though...I'm not sure where the L/1000 comes in...

This isn't homework, I know the answer already is L/20, just don't know how to get that..
 
mmmboh said:
...I'm not sure where the L/1000 comes in...

L/2 = adjacent, (1 + 1/1000)L/2 = hypotenuse.
 

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