Find Difference in Satellite Distances After Impulse

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The problem involves a satellite of mass m in a circular orbit of radius ro around the Earth, with an initial speed vo. Following an impulse that increases its kinetic energy by 1% while keeping its angular momentum constant, the task is to find the difference between the maximum and minimum distances from the center of the Earth as the satellite transitions to an elliptical orbit.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss deriving expressions for the total orbital energy after the impulse and how to relate the semi-major axis of the new elliptical orbit to the initial conditions. There are inquiries about using energy considerations alone versus incorporating angular momentum.

Discussion Status

The discussion includes various approaches to understanding the relationship between energy and angular momentum in the context of the problem. Some participants have provided guidance on how to set up equations based on conservation laws, while others express uncertainty about equating different quantities. There is a mix of interpretations regarding the final distances calculated.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the problem constraints include the requirement to maintain angular momentum and the specific increase in kinetic energy. There is also mention of confusion regarding the expected results and the physical implications of the distances calculated.

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Ok so I'm told that there is a satellite mass m in a circular orbit of radius ro around the Earth (of mass M). I'm told the speed of the satellite is vo.

So I've shown that Eo = total energy of satellite = -1/2mvo^2

Now I am told that whilst the satellite is in its circular orbit, there is an impulse that leaves its angular momentum unchanged but increases its kinetic energy by 1%

I'm told to find the difference between the maximum and minimum distances from the centre of the earth..



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The Attempt at a Solution



So I know that after the impulse, it will follow an elliptical path.

Energy eqn for non-circular orbit is:

1/2 m (dr/dt)^2 + J^2/2mr^2 - GMm/r = E

So I know J = J initial = mvoro

but all i know is that its kinetic energy has increased by 1%, not its total, so how can i get an expression for E to solve the problem?

thanks!
 
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From the constant angular momentum, h, for the initial circular orbit you can derive h expressed as a function of v0. Since the maneuver is considered impulsive, radius does not change while speed does, so establishing an expression for the total orbital energy after the maneuver and replacing the kinetic energy term with the "1% scaled" kinetic energy for v0 you can get an expression that relates the semi-major axis, a, of the new elliptic orbit with v0. Knowing h and a and some geometric relationship for an elliptic orbit, you can derive the eccentricity and finally the apogee and perigee radius as a function of v0 and the "1% factor" (and mu).
 
Ok..thanks..but is there another way to do this - just using energy considerations - i.e. the equations I have above, as we haven't really done anything involving semi major axis etc..

thanks
 
At the minimum and maximum distances dr/dt =0. That means that the radial component of the velocity is zero, the velocity is normal to the radius, so the angular momentum is J = mrv at the maximum and minimum distance from Earth. The angular momentum is the same as it was for the circular orbit, so you can write v in terms of r using the conservation of angular momentum.
You can get the new energy after the impulse. The radius did not change so the potential energy stayed -mv0^2 = -GmM/r0, but the KE became 1.01/2 mv0^2. You have the equation for the energy at arbitrary r along the orbit, and you know that dr/dt = 0 and the angular momentum is J=mrv. Make E(r) equal to the energy you got after the impulse, this is an equation for r, solve.

ehild
 
This problem is essentially asking you to find the (new) semi-major axis and eccentricity. You cannot determine both of those from energy alone. You need energy and angular momentum.
 
ehild said:
At the minimum and maximum distances dr/dt =0. That means that the radial component of the velocity is zero, the velocity is normal to the radius, so the angular momentum is J = mrv at the maximum and minimum distance from Earth. The angular momentum is the same as it was for the circular orbit, so you can write v in terms of r using the conservation of angular momentum.
You can get the new energy after the impulse. The radius did not change so the potential energy stayed -mv0^2 = -GmM/r0, but the KE became 1.01/2 mv0^2. You have the equation for the energy at arbitrary r along the orbit, and you know that dr/dt = 0 and the angular momentum is J=mrv. Make E(r) equal to the energy you got after the impulse, this is an equation for r, solve.

ehild

Thanks ehild..so I get that before Jo = mrovo

so by conservation of angular momentum i get J = mr^2 theta dot = m ro vo

I understand what you say about energy also..

im just not sure what to equate to what..

for the orbit after the collision, the orbit equation 1/2m(dr/dt)^2 + J^2/2mr^2 - GMm/r = E applies..

i know J = Jo...but I don't see how to get E..

please could you just explain the steps more clearly? thank you very much!
 
You know KE and PE just before the impulse: KE =1/2 mv0^2, PE = -GmM/r0. After that, KE increased by 1 %, PE stayed the same, so E=1.01 * 1/2 mv0^2-GmM/r0 = -0.99 * 1/2 mv0^2.

ehild
 
Thank yo so much. very clear now!

Ehild = the best
 
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ehild said:
You know KE and PE just before the impulse: KE =1/2 mv0^2, PE = -GmM/r0. After that, KE increased by 1 %, PE stayed the same, so E=1.01 * 1/2 mv0^2-GmM/r0 = -0.99 * 1/2 mv0^2.

ehild

cool okay so i solved the equation and got rmin = 0.42ro, rmax = 2.44ro.

so distance between them is 2.86ro

Is this right?

The answer says it should be 0.2ro, but this can't be right - the distance between maximum and minimum distances from the centre of the Earth can't be less than ro right?

thanks
 
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sorry found my mistake... :S
 
  • #12
Have you got the correct solution? Congratulation!

ehild
 
  • #13
Now I'm curious to hear the result. I get around 0.90 and 1.11 when going via semi-major axis and eccentricity.
 
  • #14
They are r0/1.1 and r0/0.9

ehild
 

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