Find electric potential and field from Electric Quadrupole

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The problem involves analyzing a Linear Electric Quadrupole consisting of two positive charges positioned along the z-axis and two negative charges at the origin. Participants are tasked with deriving expressions for the electric potential and field, as well as understanding the quadrupole moment, particularly in the context of transitioning to a quadratic quadrupole.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster describes their progress on the first part of the problem using the Law of Cosines and series expansion but expresses difficulty with the second part involving tensors. They question how to apply tensors in this context.
  • Another participant requests clarification on the first part and shares their method for calculating a specific tensor operation in Cartesian coordinates, while also discussing the nature of tensors.
  • A third participant mentions they are working on the same problem and inquires about the derivation process for the quadratic quadrupole, suggesting the use of the rule of cosines and Taylor approximations.
  • A fourth participant offers guidance on the expansion of the potential in spherical harmonics and references relevant textbooks for further reading.

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Participants are navigating the complexities of tensor mathematics, which has been briefly covered in their coursework. There is a noted lack of familiarity with tensors among some participants, which may be impacting their ability to progress in the problem.

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Homework Statement



So the problem revolves around a Linear Electric Quadrupole, with two positive charges on z-axis (in positions s and -s from origo) and two negative charges in origo.

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1. Show that potential from a position R can be written as
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2. The quadrupole moment can be written as
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where
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Show that
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Show that the electric field of the linear quadrupole can be written as

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We now change the Linear quadrupole out with a quadratic quadrupole

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Show that the quadrupole moment can be written as

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where
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The Attempt at a Solution



I've done number 1. It was pretty straight forward, and I did it with Law of Cosines and some series expansion, but I'm completely stuck at number 2.

After some googling, it seems that there's tensors involved in this one, but I can't remember the professor talking about tensors for more than maybe 1 min, with a very brief example on Ohms Law (I think).

I just can't figure out where to start, as I have no intuitive image of how tensors work, or how they're to be applied in this problem.

As for the electric field, it should just be the negative Gradient of the potential.

But again, I can't get my head around tensors, or how to derive them from the picture or equations I've been given.
 
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Must have been quite some work, this number 1. Can you show it ?

In return I show how I work out ##\hat r \cdot Q \cdot \hat r## in cartesian coordinates: begin with Q.r (factor ##q\,s^2## I leave out and add at the end)
(I assume you are familiar with matrix multiplication) :
$$ \left (\begin{array}{cc}-1&0&0\\0&-1&0\\0&0&2\end{array}\right )\, \left (\begin{array}{cc}\cos\phi \sin\theta\\ \sin\phi \sin\theta \\ \cos\theta\end{array}\right )=\left (\begin{array}{cc}-\cos\phi \sin\theta\\ -\sin\phi \sin\theta \\ 2\cos\theta\end{array}\right ) $$ Then
$$ \left (\begin{array}{cc}\cos\phi \sin\theta& \sin\phi \sin\theta & \cos\theta\end{array}\right ) \,\left (\begin{array}{cc}-\cos\phi \sin\theta\\ -\sin\phi \sin\theta \\ 2\cos\theta\end{array}\right ) = -\cos^2\phi \sin^2\theta - \sin^2\phi \sin^2\theta + 2 \cos^2\theta = - \sin^2\theta + 2 \cos^2\theta = 3 \cos^2\theta - 1$$ So that with ##(s\cdot \hat r)^2= s^2 \cos^2\theta ## you get $$\hat r \cdot Q \cdot \hat r = q\,\left (3(s\cdot \hat r)^2 -s^2 \right )$$

And for now, no need for tensors of higher rank (tensors are arrays, matrices. Rank 0 is a scalar, rank 1 a vector, rank 2 a matrix -- I think I remember)
 
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I'm doing the exact same problem, and I've gotten to the quadratic quadrupole... Anyone know how to derive that stuff? Is it just rule of cosines for all of the charges, approximation with Taylor and plugging?
 
Hello Taaben, and welcome to PF.
The derivation of this expansion can be googled, or found in books like Griffiths, Jackson, ...

It expands ##1/|\vec r - \vec r' |## in spherical harmonics. The nice thing is that for symmetries in the charge distributions (monopole, dipole, quadrupole) the series expansion of ##\int \rho /|\vec r - \vec r' |## terminates.

Sho how is our dreamspacer doing ?
 

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