Find equation of tangent to curve at $t=-\pi$

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The discussion revolves around finding the equation of the tangent line to a parametric curve defined by the equations $x=t\cos(t)$ and $y=t\sin(t)$ at the parameter value $t=-\pi$. The focus includes the calculation of the point on the curve and the slope of the tangent line, involving differentiation and the application of the point-slope formula.

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  • One participant requests help in finding the tangent line equation at $t=-\pi$.
  • Another participant provides the derivatives $dx$ and $dy$, and expresses uncertainty about plugging in $t=-\pi$.
  • A third participant emphasizes the need for both a point and a slope to find the tangent line, suggesting the use of the chain rule for slope calculation.
  • Subsequent posts calculate the point on the curve at $t=-\pi$ as $(\pi, 0)$ and propose a slope of $\pi$.
  • One participant corrects the slope, indicating that the differentiation may have been done incorrectly.
  • Another participant acknowledges an error in signs during differentiation and seeks clarification on the correct slope.
  • Eventually, a participant arrives at the equation $y=-\pi x + \pi^2$, which is confirmed by another participant.

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There is no consensus on the correct slope until later posts, where participants correct each other’s calculations. The discussion reflects a progression of understanding rather than a single agreed-upon solution.

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Participants express uncertainty about differentiation steps and the application of the product rule, indicating potential limitations in their calculations.

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find an equation of the tangent to the curve at the point corresponding to the given value of the parameter $x=t\cos\left({t}\right)$, $y=t\sin\left({t}\right)$, $t=-\pi$

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here's what i have so far:

$dx=cos(t)+tsin(t) dt$
$dy=sin(t)-tcos(t) dt$
$d\pi=-\pi t dt$$\frac{dy}{dx}=\frac{sin(t)-tcos(t)}{cos(t)+tsin(t)}$

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now i plug in $-\pi$ in for t, correct?
 
In order to find the tangent line, you need a slope and a point. Let's begin with the point:

$$(x,y)=\left(-\pi\cos(-\pi),-\pi\sin(-\pi)\right)=?$$

Next, compute the slope, using the chain rule:

$$\frac{dy}{dx}=\frac{dy}{dt}\cdot\frac{dt}{dx}$$

This will be a function of $t$. Then find:

$$m=\left.\frac{dy}{dx}\right|_{t=-\pi}$$

Now you have your point and your slope, so plug into the point-slope formula...what do you find?
 
here's what i did:

so $(x,y)=(-\pi cos(-\pi), -\pi sin(-\pi))=(\pi,0)$

$\frac{dy}{dx}=\pi$

$y=mx+b$
$0=(\pi)(\pi)+b$
$0=\pi^2+b$
$b=-\pi^2$

$y=\pi x-\pi^2$
 
You have the correct point, but the wrong slope. Check to make sure you differentiated correctly.
 
ineedhelpnow said:
here's what i have so far:

$dx=cos(t)+tsin(t) dt$
$dy=sin(t)-tcos(t) dt$
$d\pi=-\pi t dt$$\frac{dy}{dx}=\frac{sin(t)-tcos(t)}{cos(t)+tsin(t)}$

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now i plug in $-\pi$ in for t, correct?
is the dy/dx in this step correct?
 
ineedhelpnow said:
is the dy/dx in this step correct?

No, you have not differentiated correctly. Apply the product rule again, and be sure you differentiate the trig. functions correctly. :D
 
got the signs wrong :o
 
ineedhelpnow said:
got the signs wrong :o

Yes, so what is the slope and then the line?
 
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$y=-\pi x+ \pi^2$
 
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ineedhelpnow said:
$y=-\pi x+ \pi^2$

Yes, that's the one! (Yes)
 

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