Find Expectation Value for 1st 2 States of Harmonic Oscillator

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The discussion revolves around finding the expectation value of position for the first two states of a quantum harmonic oscillator, specifically denoted as for states ψ0 and ψ1.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the use of Dirac notation for calculating expectation values, the significance of the integrand's properties, and the potential utility of ladder operators. Questions arise regarding the definition and application of ladder operators.

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Some participants have provided guidance on the mathematical approach, including integration and the use of probability distributions. There is an ongoing exploration of different methods, including the application of ladder operators, without a clear consensus on the preferred approach.

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Participants are navigating the complexities of quantum mechanics, particularly in relation to expectation values and the properties of wave functions. There is an implicit understanding of the need for mathematical rigor in the calculations, but specific details and assumptions remain under discussion.

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how do you find the expectation value <x> for the 1st 2 states of a harmonic oscillator?
 
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The expectation value of an operator A is <psi|A|psi>. If you're not familiar with Dirac's notation that means that for state 1 you'd integrate psi1 times A times psi1 over all space.

Once you start getting your hands dirty with the integrations pay attention to wether the integrand is even or odd. That will save you from a lot of useless intergration. Also the gamma function may prove to be useful.
 
Well, they are [itex]\langle \psi_0|x|\psi_0\rangle[/itex] and [itex]\langle \psi_1|x|\psi_1\rangle[/itex] ofcourse.
You could find them either by integration or the application of the ladder operators.

However, a look at the probability distributions [itex]|\psi_0|^2[/itex] and [itex]|\psi_1|^2[/itex] should tell you immediately what the expectation value for the position is.
 
Galileo said:
Well, they are [itex]\langle \psi_0|x|\psi_0\rangle[/itex] and [itex]\langle \psi_1|x|\psi_1\rangle[/itex] ofcourse.
You could find them either by integration or the application of the ladder operators.
However, a look at the probability distributions [itex]|\psi_0|^2[/itex] and [itex]|\psi_1|^2[/itex] should tell you immediately what the expectation value for the position is.

You can do that, but if you really want to see the math, use the ladder operators.

- harsh
 
ladder operators? what's that?
 

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