Find Fourier series of Dirac delta function

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The discussion revolves around the expansion of the Dirac delta function, $\delta(x-t)$, as a Fourier series. Participants explore the implications of the Dirac delta function not being periodic and how to correctly apply Fourier series concepts to this non-periodic function.

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  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether the non-periodicity of the Dirac delta function is a concern when attempting to expand it as a Fourier series.
  • Another participant suggests using the property of the Dirac delta function, $\int_{-\pi}^{\pi} \delta(x-t) f(t)\,dt = f(x)$, to compute the Fourier coefficients.
  • There is a discussion about the correct interpretation of dummy variables in integrals, particularly regarding the integration variable and its implications for the result.
  • One participant proposes that the Fourier coefficients $a_n$ and $b_n$ can be computed using the Dirac delta function, leading to expressions involving cosine and sine functions.
  • Another participant expresses confusion about the integration variable and suggests that the problem statement may be misleading regarding which variable to integrate.
  • Later, a participant asserts that the correct form of the Fourier series expansion includes terms derived from integrating the Dirac delta function over the entire real line.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying interpretations of how to handle the Dirac delta function in the context of Fourier series. There is no consensus on the best approach, and multiple viewpoints are presented regarding the integration variables and the resulting expressions for the Fourier coefficients.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the potential confusion arising from the problem statement and the use of dummy variables in integrals. The discussion highlights the need for clarity in defining the variables involved in the Fourier series expansion.

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Hi - firstly should I be concerned that the dirac function is NOT periodic?

Either way the problem says expand $\delta(x-t)$ as a Fourier series...

I tried $\delta(x-t) = 1, x=t; \delta(x-t) =0, x \ne t , -\pi \le t \le \pi$ ... ('1' still delivers the value of a multiplied function at t)

from there I tried $a_0 = \lim_{{\in}\to{0}}\frac{1}{\pi}\int_{t-\in}^{t+\in}1 \,dx $, but that's not going to give the answer in the book ($\frac{1}{2\pi} +\frac{1}{\pi} \sum_{n=1}^{\infty} Cosn(x-t)$)

A hint on how to start this please?
 
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ognik said:
Hi - firstly should I be concerned that the dirac function is NOT periodic?

Either way the problem says expand $\delta(x-t)$ as a Fourier series...

I tried $\delta(x-t) = 1, x=t; \delta(x-t) =0, x \ne t , -\pi \le t \le \pi$ ... ('1' still delivers the value of a multiplied function at t)

from there I tried $a_0 = \lim_{{\in}\to{0}}\frac{1}{\pi}\int_{t-\in}^{t+\in}1 \,dx $, but that's not going to give the answer in the book ($\frac{1}{2\pi} +\frac{1}{\pi} \sum_{n=1}^{\infty} Cosn(x-t)$)

A hint on how to start this please?

Hi ognik,

When we expand a function to a Fourier series, that expansion is only valid between $-\pi$ and $\pi$.
Outside of that interval, we'll get indeed repetitions that don't belong to the dirac function.

Btw, $\delta(x-t) = \infty$ when $x=t$.
Instead we should use the property that $\int_{-\pi}^{\pi} \delta(x-t) f(t)\,dt = f(x)$ if $-\pi < x < \pi$.

So we get:
$$a_0 = \frac 1 \pi \int_{-\pi}^{+\pi} \delta(x-t) \cdot 1 \,dt = \frac 1\pi \cdot 1$$
 
Thanks ILS, I hadn;t encountered that property - is it commonly used?

Dummy variables being something that can confuse me, please would you explain why it wouldn't be the usual $ a_0 = \frac1\pi \int \delta(x-t)f(x)\,dx = f(x)$ ?

Then is $ a_n = \frac 1\pi \int \delta(x-t)Cosnt\,dt = \frac 1\pi Cosnz|^\pi_-{\pi} $ ?
 
ognik said:
Thanks ILS, I hadn;t encountered that property - is it commonly used?

Yes. It is the fundamental property of the dirac function (although I modified it a bit to fit the problem at hand).
See for instance here.

Dummy variables being something that can confuse me, please would you explain why it wouldn't be the usual $ a_0 = \frac1\pi \int \delta(x-t)f(x)\,dx = f(x)$ ?

Then is $ a_n = \frac 1\pi \int \delta(x-t)Cosnt\,dt = \frac 1\pi Cosnz|^\pi_-{\pi} $ ?

When we take an integral, we integrate with respect to some (possibly dummy) variable.
After the integration that variable can no longer be present in the expression - it has been integrated.
In your example $x$ is being integrated, while $t$ is considered to be constant.
The resulting expression is not supposed to contain $x$ any more.

Note that when we write an indeterminate integral like $F(x) = \int f(x)\,dx$, there is an ambiguity in the usage of $x$.
It has 2 different meanings, which is something I recommend avoiding in Fourier analysis.
Properly it should be:
$$F(x) = \int^x f(\tilde x) \,d\tilde x$$
 
Thanks ILS.

Both x and t are variables, so why did you integrate w.r.t. t?

And please check my $a_n$ in my previous post - comparing with the book it looks wrong, but I can't see why?
 
ognik said:
Thanks ILS.

Both x and t are variables, so why did you integrate w.r.t. t?

And please check my $a_n$ in my previous post - comparing with the book it looks wrong, but I can't see why?

Your problem statement is actually rather confusing as to which variable we should integrate ($x$ or $t$).
Looking at the answer, I think it's neither $x$ nor $t$, but we should expand $\delta(y)$ instead, and afterwards substitute $y=x-t$.
 
Hi ILS, I believe I have it:
Your link shows everything we need, the property should be $ \int_{-\infty}^{\infty}\delta \left(x-t\right) \,dx = f(t)$

$a_0 =\frac{1}{\pi}$ is still correct

But $a_n= \frac{1}{\pi}\int_{-\infty}^{\infty} \delta \left(x-t\right) cos nx \,dx = \frac{1}{\pi}cos nt $ and similarly $b_n= \frac{1}{\pi}sin nt $

Then $ \int_{-\infty}^{\infty}\delta \left(x-t\right) \,dx = \frac{1}{2\pi} + \sum_{n=1}^{\infty} \left( Cosnt Cos nx +Sinnt Sin nx \right) = \frac{1}{2\pi} + \sum_{n=1}^{\infty} Cosn(x-t) $
 
Ah okay, it works like that as well.
 
I like Serena said:
Ah okay, it works like that as well.
Thanks again ILS - and I also got it using your suggested substitution :-)
 

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