Find initial temp. of alcohol when copper and aluminum are added

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves determining the initial temperature of copper when it is added to a mixture of aluminum and ethyl alcohol, which subsequently reaches a final temperature. The context includes specific masses and temperatures of the materials involved, as well as their specific heat capacities.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to apply the principle of conservation of energy to solve for the initial temperature of copper, using the heat transfer equation. Some participants question whether the mass of ethyl alcohol has been accurately calculated, suggesting it might be a source of error.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring potential errors in calculations and rounding. There is an acknowledgment of common mistakes, and supportive comments are made to encourage continued effort in resolving the issue.

Contextual Notes

Participants are working under the constraints of specific heat capacities and the requirement to maintain energy balance in the system. There is a mention of rounding errors, but no consensus on the exact source of the discrepancy has been reached.

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*Messed up title, should have been find initial temp of copper*

Homework Statement



8.00 g of aluminum at 200 °C and 18.0 g of copper are dropped into 50.0 cm3 of ethyl alcohol at 15 °C. The temperature quickly comes to 26.0 °C. What was the initial temperature of the copper?

Density of ethyl alcohol = .789 g/ml

mass of ethyl alcohol = 39.45 g, .03495 kg

mass of copper = .018 kg

mass of aluminum = .008 kg

Tf = 299 K

Ti, alum = 473 K

Ti, eth = 288 K

c for aluminum = 900 J/kg*k

c for ethyl alcohol = 2400 J/kg*k

c for copper = 385 J/kg*k

Homework Equations



Qa + Qc + Qe = macaΔT + meceΔT + mcccΔT = 0

The Attempt at a Solution

Qa + Qc + Qe = macaΔT + meceΔT + mcccΔT = 0

=(.008)(900)(-174) + (.03945)(2400)(11) + (.018)(385)(299-Ti) = 0

Ti = 268.51 K or -4.5 °C

That's what I did, but it says not quite and tells to check for rounding errors. However, I didn't round anything until the very end, so I'm not quite sure where I went wrong. I also tried -4.494 but that was wrong too.
 
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nlingraham said:
mass of ethyl alcohol = 39.45 g, .03495 kg

Could this be the error?
 
Well, I feel stupid now. thanks.
 
No need to worry. We all make slips like that. Hope it works out now.
 

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