Find largest potential energy difference between 2 loop orientations

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The discussion revolves around the potential energy differences in a magnetic field as related to the orientation of a loop's area vector. Participants are exploring the relationship between the angle of the loop and the resulting potential energy values.

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  • Participants are examining the implications of the angle between the loop's area vector and the magnetic field on potential energy. There is a focus on understanding the conditions for maximum and minimum potential energy values, as well as the mathematical relationships involved.

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There is an active exchange of ideas regarding the interpretation of the potential energy formula and the conditions under which maximum and minimum values occur. Some participants are questioning initial assumptions about energy values, while others are clarifying the mathematical relationships involved.

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Participants are addressing common misconceptions about energy values, particularly regarding negative potential energy and the implications of the cosine function in the context of angles between vectors.

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A current loop with radius 20cm and current 2A is in a uniform magnetic field of 0.5T. Considering all possible orientations of the loop relative to the field, what is the largest potential energy difference (in Joules) you can find between two orientations.
Relevant Equations
$$U = -\mu \cdot B$$
$$ \mu = IA$$
I thought the largest PE difference would be when the loop's area vector is in the same direction as the magnetic field, hence cos(0) =1, minus when the loop's area vector in perpendicular to the field, cos(pi/2) = 0. Just plug in the variables and you get 0.126 joules. Did I make a mistake?
 
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When the angle is zero the energy is at a minimum, not a maximum. See the minus sign in the formula.
The 90 degree is neither maximum nor minimum. The minimum is a negative value, equal in magnitude with the maximum value.
 
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If you write ##U=-\vec {\mu} \cdot \vec B = -\mu~B~\cos\!\theta,~##you will see hat the minimum and maximum value of the potential energy ##U## is intimately related to the maximum and minimum value of the cosine of the angle between the two vectors.
 
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nasu said:
When the angle is zero the energy is at a minimum, not a maximum. See the minus sign in the formula.
The 90 degree is neither maximum nor minimum. The minimum is a negative value, equal in magnitude with the maximum value.
Ah so its double the value then. Great!
 
It is a common mistake to think that 0 is the smallest possible value of an energy. That is true only when negative values are not allowed. Here, they are.
 

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