Find magnetic dipole moment of coiled wire

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The discussion revolves around calculating the magnetic dipole moment of a coiled wire, specifically a 45-meter long wire coiled into 100 loops carrying a current of 13 A. Participants explore the relevant equations and concepts related to magnetic fields and dipole moments.

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  • Participants discuss various equations that could be applicable, such as the magnetic field equation and the formula for magnetic dipole moment. Some question the adequacy of the provided information to solve the problem, while others suggest different methods to find the area of the loops.

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There are multiple interpretations of how to approach the problem, with some participants providing hints and guidance on using specific formulas. However, there is no explicit consensus on the correct method or solution as participants continue to explore different aspects of the problem.

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Some participants note confusion regarding the conversion of units and the correct interpretation of the area of the loops, indicating potential gaps in the information provided in the original question.

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Homework Statement


A 45-m long wire is coiled so that it makes a coil containing 100 circular loops, one on top of the other. If the wire carries a current of 13 A, what is the magnetic dipole moment of the coil?

21 A·m2

6.7 A·m2

3.3 A·m2

2.6 A·m2

1.2 A·m2

Homework Equations


B(z) = u0/2pi x u/z^3
Where u0 is the permeability constant and u is the magnetic dipole moment

The Attempt at a Solution


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I can get as far as B(z) = (2 x 10^7 u)/z^3
I know I need to find u.
It doesn't seem to mention where exactly z is, thus can't work out magnetic field. Do you think there is enough information provided in this question to solve it?

Thanks.
 
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Would this be a solenoid and thus use equation B = u0 x i x n ?
 
I'm curious - how would finding B help ?

Use simply the formula - M = n*i*A , where n is no of loops , and i the current passing through the loops , and A the area of each loop .

Also , here's a hint : M due to n circular loops would be the same as due to one large , single loop of current - carrying wire . This might help .
 
Oh I couldn't find that equation.

But solving for this equation gives me 2.07 x 10^6.
I guess I need to convert this to A/m^2, but I am not sure the conversion and couldn't find it on Google anywhere?
 
Anyone got any idea?
 
Jimbob999 said:
Anyone got any idea?
Firstly ,
Qwertywerty said:
Also , here's a hint : M due to n circular loops would be the same as due to one large , single loop of current - carrying wire . This might help .
Unfortunately , I have made a mistake here . Discard this .
Secondly ,
Jimbob999 said:
But solving for this equation gives me 2.07 x 10^6.
I guess I need to convert this to A/m^2, but I am not sure the conversion and couldn't find it on Google anywhere?
Try the working again now . You will get the answer . Also , I believe you mean Am2 .

Hope this helps .
 
Ok, let me show you my working.

n is 100
I is 13
A = Pi R^2, which is 506.3. However, I am inclined to take this as one big loop. Thus 45m divided 100 loops.
A = 0.159?

M = 206.7
or M = 2.07 if take n as 1.

So don't think any of my answers are right?
 
Jimbob999 said:
However, I am inclined to take this as one big loop.
I said I made a mistake - you shouldn't do this .

Find area of each individual loop , and use the formula M = n*i*A .
Jimbob999 said:
A = Pi R^2, which is 506.3. However, I am inclined to take this as one big loop. Thus 45m divided 100 loops.
A = 0.159?
Check your area .

Hope this helps .
 
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Thanks qwerty.
Was stupidly using circumference instead of radius. Got it now.
 
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Jimbob999 said:

Homework Statement


A 45-m long wire is coiled so that it makes a coil containing 100 circular loops, one on top of the other. If the wire carries a current of 13 A, what is the magnetic dipole moment of the coil?

21 A·m2

6.7 A·m2

3.3 A·m2

2.6 A·m2

1.2 A·m2

i = 13 , L = 45 , N = 100

100 circular loop

the circumference of the all loops L = 2*pi*r *100
then the r of 100 circular loop equal r = L / ( 2*pi*100 )

magnetic diploe = N i A = 100 * pi * r^2 * 13 = 21 A·m^2

solved the Q - Almamoun and Feras Alhazmi from King Fahad of petroleum and minerals university
 
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Good solution, @Almamoun, but please note that the question is almost 7 years old so it is unlikely that it will help the person who posted it.
 

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