Find Max/Min of |f(z)| at z=2: Maximum Modulus Theorem & Minimum Modulus Theorem

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The problem involves finding the lines through z=2 where the modulus of the function f(z)=(z-1)(z-4)^2 has relative maxima and minima, referencing the Maximum Modulus Theorem and Minimum Modulus Theorem in the context of complex variables.

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  • Participants discuss the differentiability of f(z) at z=1 and the implications for finding maxima and minima. There is confusion regarding the interpretation of "lines through z=2" and the nature of the function's behavior at that point. Some participants attempt to derive |f(z)| as a function of x and explore its critical points.

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There is ongoing clarification regarding the differentiability of f(z) and the interpretation of the problem. Some participants have provided guidance on how to approach the derivative of |f(z)|, while others are questioning the assumptions made in the original problem statement. The discussion reflects a mix of interpretations and attempts to resolve the problem.

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Participants note that the problem is situated within the realm of complex variables, and there are references to the need for clarity on the conditions under which the maximum and minimum occur. The original poster acknowledges a misunderstanding regarding differentiability and the nature of the problem.

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Homework Statement


Suppose that f(z)=(z-1)(z-4)^2. Find the lines through z=2 on which |f(z)| has a relative maximu, and those on which |f(z)| has a relative minimum, at z=2.


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Maximum Modulus Theorem And Minimum Modulus Theorem


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So I know that f(z) is not differentiable at z=1. So I could take the domains (-5,1) and (5,1). Since we know that the maximum and minimum must be located on the boundary of the domain.
However, I am not sure how to do this or if this is right.
 
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You seem to be completely confused here. f certainly is differentiable at z= 1. For any z, the derivative is f'(z)= (z- 4)^2+ 2(z- 1)(z- 4) which is 25 at z= -1.

Further, I have no idea what you could mean by "lines through z=2 on which |f(z)| has a relative maximum". When z= 2, |f(2)|= f(2)= 4, a constant.
 
Well that was the word for word problem from the book, and the book also said that |f| is not differentiable at z=1 and has a saddle point at z=2.
 
Yes, |f(z)| is NOT differentiable at z= 1 but that is not what you said. You said that f(z) was not differentiable at z= 1 and it is. Also, perhaps not stated in the problem but said elsewhere, I feel sure, is that this is a problem in complex variables. "The line z= 2" is the line where z= 2+ ix for any real number x. Then f(z)= (z- 1)(z- 4)^2= (2- ix-1)(2- ix- 4)^2= (1- ix)(-2- ix)^2. Write out |f(z)| as a function of x, find the derivative, set it equal to 0. etc.
 
Alright, sorry my bad I didn't explain correctly. First of all, yes this is a complex problem. So we are assuming that z \in Z. And yes you are correct it is differentiable at f(z) at z=1, again I forgot to put the modulus signs around it.
Alright now that everything is cleared up, so the line z=2+ix.
Plugging this into |f(z)|=|(2+ix-1)(2+ix-4)^2=|(1+ix)(-x^2-4ix+4)|=|-x^2-4ix+4-ix^3+4x^2+4ix|=|-ix^3+3x^2+4|=\sqrt{(3x^2+4)^2+(x^3)^2}=
Then this reduces to
\sqrt{9x^4+24x^2+16+x^6}=\sqrt{(x^4+8x^2+16)(x^2+1)}=\sqrt{(x^2+4)^2(x^2+1)}=(x^2+4)\sqrt{x^2+1}.
Then the derivative of this would be:
2x\sqrt{x^2+1}+\frac{1}{\sqrt{x^2+1}}[x^3+4x].

Then setting this equal to zero and solving we get:
2x\sqrt{x^2+1}=-\frac{1}{\sqrt{x^2+1}}[x^3+4x], giving 2x^3+2x=-x^3-4x, x(3x^2+6)=0
Thus our solutions are x=0 and x=square root of (-1/2) but this is a complex number and x is a real number so this cannot happen.

Thus our solution is x=0.
Looking at the derivative again, and then taking this value for x=0 we get |f''(z)|=2 which is positive. Thus the line x=0 is a minimum.
Thus the line z=2 contains a relative minimum.

Is this correct. And therefore there are no relative maximum?
 
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You will probably find it simpler to use the fact that \sqrt{f(x)} has a minimum where f(x) itself does: specifically, the derivative of (f(x))^{1/2} is (1/2)f(x)f'(x) which is equal to 0 only where f(x)= 0 or f'(x)= 0. In other words, you really only need to look at the derivative of
x^+ 9x^4- 24x^2+16
which turns out to be relatively simple.
 
Did you mean x^6+9x^4+24x^2+16?
So taking the derivative and setting this equal to zero then solving for it we get that x=0.
So the line is z=2+i(0)=2.
 
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