Find Position of Charge 3 in Two Charge System

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The discussion focuses on determining the position of a third charged particle (q_3=q) in a system with two other charged particles (q_1=q and q_2=4q) separated by a distance d. The forces exerted by q_1 and q_2 on q_3 must be equal, leading to the equations F_{2 on 3} = k(4q^2)/(d-x_3) and F_{1 on 3} = k(q^2)/(x_3^2). The solution reveals two potential positions for charge 3: x_3 = d/3 and x_3 = -d, although the latter was initially deemed incorrect. The discussion emphasizes the importance of understanding electrostatic force relationships and distance definitions in solving the problem.

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Homework Statement


Two charged particles, with charges q_1=q and q_2=4q, are located a distance d apart on the x axis. A third charged particle, with charge q_3=q, is placed on the x-axis such that the magnitude of the force that charge 1 exerts on charge 3 is equal to the force that charge 2 exerts on charge 3.
Find the position of charge 3. Assume that all three charges are positive.

So charge 3 could be inbetween charge 1 and 2, or to the left of charge 1. The problem wants me to find "2 possible VALUES" of charge 3. How can i find a value when no values were given to me in the word problem. THey want the X_3,1, and X_3,2 in terms of Q, D, and K (coulomb constant).

Homework Equations


F_{\textrm{2 \,on \,3}} = k\frac{q_2 q_3}{d-x_3} = k\frac{4q^2}{d-x_3}
and
F_{\textrm{1 \,on \,3}} = k\frac{q_1 q_3}{d-x_3} = k\frac{q^2}{x_3^2}

The Attempt at a Solution


For an answer I get 4q^2 and -d

It says that -d is wrong. I figure out what I'm doing wrong.
 
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First of all I would like to point out that electrostatic force is proportional to the inverse square of distance. Secondly, what is this d - x3 business? define the force on 3 from 2 as the following and go from there.

F_{23}=k\frac{q_2q_3}{x_{23}^2}

You will have to work out how to relate that distance with d and the distance from the first charge.
 
I know that electrostatic force is proportional to the inverse square of distance. As for as the d-x_3 business that how the problem is defined and how the problem is to be answered. Those were the constraints put on me. The first two equations are correct because that was part a and part b. I could not continue the rest of the problem if those two equations were wrong. From there I set the two equations equal and get a quadratic equation. 4q^2 is correct and verified. The second part of the answer is where thing are not right.
 
Ok sorted I know why its d-x and so forth. I've worked through myself and I get x will be d/3 and -d so I can't see why they say its not correct. Also asking for the answer in terms of k and q is a bit strange since they cancel. Perhaps if you posted your working it would be easier to diagnose the problem.
 

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