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The discussion revolves around a circuit analysis problem involving current and voltage relationships in a loop, specifically focusing on the power absorbed or delivered by components in the circuit. The subject area includes concepts from circuit theory, particularly Kirchhoff's Voltage Law (KVL) and Kirchhoff's Current Law (KCL).

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the relationships between currents in different loops, questioning the implications of current values and the setup of the circuit. There are attempts to apply KCL to derive relationships between the currents, with some confusion about the dependent current source and the implications of the circuit configuration.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights into the circuit's behavior and questioning the assumptions made about current values. Some guidance has been offered regarding the interpretation of KCL and the role of the dependent current source, but no consensus has been reached regarding the correctness of the calculations or the problem setup.

Contextual Notes

Participants note potential issues with the problem statement, including the possibility of incorrect component values affecting the analysis. There is also mention of confusion regarding the role of certain voltages and currents in the circuit.

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KVL

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I am confused about what happens at the first loop on the left. It looks like there is a current of i(d) leaving R2 which means that it's the same current for R1 and Vx. But then there is i(c) and I cannot understand what happens to this loop now.
When looking at this, the only way I can make sense of this is to have i(d)=i(c), but even this doesn't make much sense to me because it wouldn't pass the nodal analysis.
 
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What is the thing denoted by ## \alpha \mathbf{v}_{\beta} ##? I do not recognize the symbol.
 
That thing is a dependent current source. Regarding id and ic, KCL should tell you what ic is.
 
Sorry, that is what I meant when I said it didn't satisfy my nodal analysis.
For KCL- I have:

ic + id + ix =0

but ix is id isn't it?

so is ic + id + id =0
ic = -2id
?
 
Cisneros778 said:
For KCL- I have:

ic + id + ix =0

but ix is id isn't it?

Yes it is. Watch your sign. It is going into and outfrom that node.
 
Take note that the wire denoted as carrying ##i_c## forms a single path between the loops; there is no return path, so no complete circuit exists for ##i_c## to flow. What does this imply about the value of ##i_c##?
 
so i(c) is zero.

if i(d) is going in and going out.

i(d) - i(d) + i(c) = 0
i(c) = 0

so now that I know that:
-9.8 + 10*i(d) + 7*i(d) = 0
17*i(d) = 9.8
i(d) = .576 A

Absorbed power is=
(.576 A)^2 * R2 = 2.33 W

which is wrong, the correct answer is -0.00851 W... So I'm stuck again.
 
Something must be fishy with the question then. The loop with Vx in it is effectively all alone, so the current is 0.576A as you calculated. Since Vx is 9V, the power it's producing must be V*I = 5.65W. (Note that BOTH resistors will absorb power, not just R2).

Is it possible that some of the component values stated in the image are incorrect?
 
I don't think so. The reason I used P = i^2*R2 is because of that V(b).. I figured the question was referring to that or else why would it be there? What do you think?
 
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##V_\beta## is there because the voltage across R2 is used to set the current of the controlled source in the second loop. The only voltage source Vx.
 

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