Find Ratio of d/b for Minimum Stress in Beams & Bending

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The discussion centers on finding the ratio of the diameter of a log (d) to the width of a rectangle (b) that minimizes the maximum stress in a beam. Participants explore the relationship between stress, moment, and the geometry of the beam, including the implications of the circular boundary of the log.

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  • One participant presents the maximum stress equation and attempts to derive the ratio d/b that minimizes this stress.
  • Another participant challenges the understanding of the variable d, suggesting that it may not be clear from the provided diagram.
  • There is confusion regarding the definition of d, with some participants questioning whether it represents the height of the rectangle or something else related to the log.
  • A participant proposes that maximizing the product b*d² is key to finding the ratio, but expresses uncertainty in reaching the final ratio.
  • One participant suggests differentiating the stress equation to find critical points, leading to a proposed solution of sqrt(2).
  • Another participant emphasizes the importance of defining the ratio r = d/b early in the problem-solving process.

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Participants express differing interpretations of the variable d and its implications for the problem. While some progress towards a solution, there is no consensus on the correct approach or final ratio, and confusion remains regarding the definitions and relationships involved.

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There are unresolved assumptions about the definitions of d and b, as well as the geometric constraints imposed by the circular log. The discussion reflects varying levels of understanding and interpretation of the problem's parameters.

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find the ratio of d/b such that the largest stress in the beam will be minimum
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i know that the maximum stress is

σmax=Ymax[tex]\frac{M}{I}[/tex]

and i know that for a rectangle I=bh3/12

now in the question i am asked to find the ration of the (diameter of the log)/(the width of the rectangle) such that σmax is minimal

since the rectangle is contained in the circle

d2=b2+h2
where h is the height of the rectangle

σmax=Ymax[tex]\frac{M}{I}[/tex]

σmax=(h/2)*(12M/(bh2)
σmax=6M/(b*h2)
σmax=6M/(b*(d2-b2)

basically from here i need to find the ratio d/b so that (b*(d2-b2) is maximum,

but how can i do this??

d/b=K

(b*(d2-b2)
=(bd2-b3)

=d/b*(d*b2-b4/d)

but i can't get to the ratio, i feel i am so close but just not getting it
 
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That is not shear stress. Your comment does not make sense. [EDIT: OK, you edited your post in response to my comment, without letting anyone know, thereby making my above comment appear as nonsense.]

You seem to not understand what d is, as if you have not looked at the diagram.
 
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at first i thought that d was the height of the rectangle, but thatdidnt make sense to me, if that is so what is the circular log given for?? it is not 100% clear to me in the diagram what they mean by d.

as far as i know that is the equation for stress,

how would you have gone about solving it??
 
Use a straightedge to see what d is.
 
so you say that d is the height of the beam, if so why do they need to tell me that the beam is taken from a log,

if i take the height as d

I=bd3/12

σmax=(h/2)*(12M/(bd3)
σmax=6M/(b*d2)

now i need b*d2 to be maximum

but i still can't get to the ratio??

i supose that b*d2 will be maximum when d/b-->infinity
but that doesn't seem right at all
 
never mind, i think i got it

b2+d2=D2

i differentiate the stress equation adn compare to 0 and i get sqrt(2)
 
They don't tell you the size of the log, but the ratio r= d/b is constrained by the circular boundary. In my experience, if a problem says to find a ratio, then the first line should be: Let r be the ratio. Then work everything towards equations in r.
 
thanks but i got it already sqrt(2)
 

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