Find Tension in Cables for 13 kg & 4 kg Signs

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The problem involves calculating the tension in cables supporting two signs of different weights, specifically a 13 kg sign and a 4 kg sign. The discussion centers around the forces acting on the system and the equilibrium conditions that must be satisfied.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the equilibrium of forces, with some attempting to derive relationships between the tensions in the cables and the weights of the signs. Questions arise regarding the interpretation of forces and the correct application of gravitational acceleration.

Discussion Status

There is ongoing dialogue regarding the correctness of various attempts at calculating the tensions. Some participants express uncertainty about their calculations, while others confirm agreement on certain values. The discussion reflects a mix of interpretations and clarifications without reaching a definitive conclusion.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of understanding that "g" refers to gravitational acceleration rather than grams, which has led to some confusion in the calculations. The problem is framed within the context of static equilibrium, where the net forces are zero.

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Homework Statement


The big sign below (see attached image) is 13 kg and the small sign is 4 kg. Find the tension in all 4 cables.

Homework Equations


Fnet= Fa +Fb

The Attempt at a Solution


ƩFx= T2cos38 - T1cos51=0
T2=T1cos51/cos38
ƩFy=T1sin51 + (T1cos51/cos38)sin38 - 127.4 -39.2 = 0
T1=131.303
 

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Your T2 is correct.

T3 = T4 = 2g

Fy: T1sin51 + T2sin38 = 17g

this is because the only forces opposing the vertical components of the tensions are the weight of the 13kg and 4kg masses. So the only thing opposing the vertical components of the tension is a combined weight of 17kg which is 17g.
 
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Thanks!
Oh! And merry christmas
 
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Hi, I've updated the post above, which might me helpful to you.
 


But the forces are in equilibrium and there is no acceleration so how can there be 17g? And won't the opposing forces be the weights, not the masses?
 


I think this is correct, I get the same:)
 


Just wondering...was my first attempt correct (my physics teacher posted the answer and her t1 was 131.18 N)
I know I sound paranoid but still... -_-
 


@ phizkid the "13 g" doesn't denote the mass, I think you mistook the g as a gram rather than the acceleration of gravity. Yoy're correct in mentioning that the system is motionless so that's why the net force is 0 for both the x and y components.
 


Oh ok then it's all the same
 
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I get T1 = 131.3N

We agree!
 
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"g" is not grams in this case, it is 9.8 m/s2. So by 17g I meant 17 x 9.8m/s2.
 

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