Find the Approximate Value of this Cube Root

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The discussion revolves around finding the approximate value of the cube root of 63, specifically using various mathematical approaches such as Newton-Raphson, Taylor expansion, and Bernoulli's inequality. Participants are exploring the implications of these methods and their theoretical foundations.

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  • Participants discuss different methods for approximating the cube root, including the use of Bernoulli's inequality and Maclaurin series. Questions arise regarding specific calculations, such as the value of ##3.4^3## and the relevance of certain terms in the expressions used.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants questioning assumptions and clarifying steps in the approximations. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of Bernoulli's inequality, but there is no explicit consensus on the best approach or the accuracy of the methods discussed.

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Homework Statement
Find approximate value of ##\sqrt[3] 63##
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Find approximate value of ##\sqrt[3] 63##
I know a lot of solution of that problem; for example Newton-Ralphson or Taylor expansion.But I saw a solution but I don't understand its theory. The solution like this: ##\sqrt[3]{63}=\sqrt[3]{64-1}\approx 4-\dfrac{4}{3.4^3-1}\approx 3.97905759162...##
 
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What is ##3.4^3##? Bernoulli is ##(1+x)^r \approx 1+rx## which yields in this case
$$
\sqrt[3]{1-\dfrac{1}{4^3}}\approx 1- \dfrac{1}{3\cdot 4^3}
$$
 
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fresh_42 said:
What is ##3.4^3##? Bernoulli is ##(1+x)^r \approx 1+rx## which yields in this case
$$
\sqrt[3]{1-\dfrac{1}{4^3}}\approx 1- \dfrac{1}{3\cdot 4^3}
$$
I don't know. According to your solution ##63^{1/3}\approx 4-1/48\approx 3.979166##
 
littlemathquark said:
I don't know. According to your solution ##63^{1/3}\approx 4-1/48\approx 3.979166##
Forget the factor ##4## on both sides. Bernoulli's inequality says for numbers greater than ##-1##
\begin{align*}
0,99476430197409796491613199693719&\approx \dfrac{1}{4}\sqrt[3]{63}=\left(1-\dfrac{1}{64}\right)^{\frac{1}{3}}\leq 1- \dfrac{1}{3}\cdot \dfrac{1}{64}\\&\approx 0,99479166666666666666666666666667
\end{align*}
with an error of about ##2,73647 \cdot 10^{-5}.## If we use ##\dfrac{1}{3\cdot 4^3 -1}=\dfrac{1}{191}## instead, then we get ##0,99476439790575916230366492146597## which varies by ##10^{-7}.## It is slightly better but not significantly. So I don't know where the irrelevant ##-1## in the denominator comes from, but the rest is Bernoulli's inequality.
 
fresh_42 said:
Forget the factor ##4## on both sides. Bernoulli's inequality says for numbers greater than ##-1##
\begin{align*}
0,99476430197409796491613199693719&\approx \dfrac{1}{4}\sqrt[3]{63}=\left(1-\dfrac{1}{64}\right)^{\frac{1}{3}}\leq 1- \dfrac{1}{3}\cdot \dfrac{1}{64}\\&\approx 0,99479166666666666666666666666667
\end{align*}
with an error of about ##2,73647 \cdot 10^{-5}.## If we use ##\dfrac{1}{3\cdot 4^3 -1}=\dfrac{1}{191}## instead, then we get ##0,99476439790575916230366492146597## which varies by ##10^{-7}.## It is slightly better but not significantly. So I don't know where the irrelevant ##-1## in the denominator comes from, but the rest is Bernoulli's inequality.
Can be used Halley Method?
 
littlemathquark said:
Can be used Halley Method?
No.

It is Maclaurin of ##(1-x)^r## up to the second derivative with an error of ##\dfrac{1}{9\cdot 4^6(3\cdot 4^3-1)}+O(4^{-27})=O(4^{-11})=O(10^{-7}).##
 
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littlemathquark said:
I don't know. According to your solution ##63^{1/3}\approx 4-1/48\approx 3.979166##
The step that was omitted is this:

##63^{1/3} = (64 - 1)^{1/3} = 64^{1/3}(1 - \frac 1{4^3})^{1/3} = 4(1 - \frac 1{4^3})^{1/3}##
In the final expression above he's working only with the ##(1 - \frac 1{4^3})^{1/3}## part.
 

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