Find the area enclosed by the parametric equation

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The discussion revolves around finding the area enclosed by a parametric equation defined by x = t³ - 7t and y = 8t². Participants are exploring the necessary steps to determine the area using calculus, specifically through the integral A = ∫ y(t) x'(t) dt.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the need for limits or bounds to evaluate the integral, with some suggesting to factor the parametric equations to find where x and y equal zero. Others are questioning the correct bounds for integration based on the roots of the equations.

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The conversation is ongoing, with various attempts to clarify the bounds for integration and the behavior of the graph. Some participants suggest using a parametric grapher to visualize the curve and identify points where it crosses itself, which may help in determining the limits for the area calculation.

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There is uncertainty regarding the correct bounds for the integral, as participants have identified multiple roots for x and are exploring the implications of these on the area calculation. The discussion also notes that the graph crosses itself, which adds complexity to identifying the enclosed area.

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Homework Statement


Find the area of the region enclosed by the parametric equation
x = t3- 7t
y = 8t2

Homework Equations


A = ∫ y(t) x'(t) dt

The Attempt at a Solution


I initially began with A = ∫ y(t) x'(t) dt
And got to ∫24t4-56t2dt and then to 24∫t4dt - 56∫t2dt
but without a limit/defined area I'm not entirely sure how to proceed.
At first I assumed the question wanted a general equation, in which case I came up with (24/5)t5 - (56/3)t3, but it doesn't seem to be working.
 
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screechy said:
but without a limit/defined area I'm not entirely sure how to proceed.

It's been a while since I've done this, so someone correct me if I'm wrong. Try factoring ##x(t)=t^3-7t## and ##y(t)=8t^2## and look for the values of ##t## wherein ##x=0## and ##y=0##. Those should be your bounds. Again, it's been a while since I've done calculus so someone feel free to correct me.
 
Eclair_de_XII said:
It's been a while since I've done this, so someone correct me if I'm wrong. Try factoring ##x(t)=t^3-7t## and ##y(t)=8t^2## and look for the values of ##t## wherein ##x=0## and ##y=0##. Those should be your bounds. Again, it's been a while since I've done calculus so someone feel free to correct me.

In that case my roots for x would be √7, -√7 and 0, while y would only be 0. What would be my upper and lower bounds?
I just attempted to make them between 0 and √7 but the answer was wrong as well
 
screechy said:

Homework Statement


Find the area of the region enclosed by the parametric equation
x = t3- 7t
y = 8t2

Homework Equations


A = ∫ y(t) x'(t) dt

The Attempt at a Solution


I initially began with A = ∫ y(t) x'(t) dt
And got to ∫24t4-56t2dt and then to 24∫t4dt - 56∫t2dt
but without a limit/defined area I'm not entirely sure how to proceed.
At first I assumed the question wanted a general equation, in which case I came up with (24/5)t5 - (56/3)t3, but it doesn't seem to be working.
You need to know a bit about what the graph looks like. Apparently it crosses itself, enclosing a loop. If you have a parametric grapher that would be a place to start. Otherwise you can look for a values of ##t## where the graph crosses itself. That would be a values of ##t_1## and ##t_2## where ##(x(t_1),y(t_1)) = (x(t_2),y(t_2))##. Use your equations to figure that out. That will give your limits.
 
screechy said:
In that case my roots for x would be √7, -√7 and 0, while y would only be 0. What would be my upper and lower bounds?
I just attempted to make them between 0 and √7 but the answer was wrong as well
Eliminate t and find the curve in the (x,y) plane. Yes, it crosses itself at x=0, y=0, which corresponds to t=0. But there is an other crossing point. You get it if you express t as ##t=\pm\sqrt{y/8}## and substitute into the first equation. Because of the plus/minus sign, you get two branches which intersect - where?
 

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