Find the Closure of these subsets

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The discussion revolves around finding the closure of various subsets of the real numbers, specifically intervals such as (a,b), [a,b), (a,b], and [a,b]. The context involves understanding the topology of the real numbers and the properties of open and closed sets.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to use complements to determine the closures but expresses confusion regarding the topology and the prohibition of metrics. Some participants suggest examining typical open and closed sets to clarify understanding. Questions are raised about the nature of specific intervals and their classifications as open or closed.

Discussion Status

Participants are exploring various interpretations of open and closed sets, with some guidance offered on how to approach the problem conceptually. There is an ongoing examination of the justifications for the original poster's guesses regarding the closures.

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There is a mention of constraints related to the prohibition of using metrics in the problem-solving process, which may affect the approaches discussed.

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Homework Statement


X=R real numbers, U in T, the topology <=> U is a subset of R and for each s in U there is a t>s such that [s,t) is a subset of U where [s,t) = {x in R; s<=x<t}

Find the closure of each of the subsets of X:

(a,b), [a,b), (a,b], [a,b]

The Attempt at a Solution


I don't understand the topology of X very well. So have trouble finding the closure. No metric is allowed?

I used complements to work out open and closed properties and came to the conclusion :
[a,b), [a,b), [a,b] and [a,b] as the closures of the above respectively.
 
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You seem to have an obsession with metrics. Stop it. Firstly, try to work out what a typical open set looks like, thus you know what a typical closed set looks like. For instance, is (0,1) open? Is it closed? (It can of course be both.) What about (-inf,0], (-inf,0), (0,inf), or [0,inf)?

And what's stopping you making a sensible guess? I mean it is surely the case that the closure of (a,b) is going to be one of (a,b), (a,b], [a,b) or [a,b], so you have to see which of those is closed, i.e. which has open complement.
 
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My guesses are displayed in the OP.
 
And what are your justifications for them?
 
Do you remember back in Calculus I (or maybe Precalculus) when you worked with "closed intervals" and "open intervals"? Those names come from this. Is (a, b) a closed or open interval? What can you do to make it closed?
 

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