Find the derivative from first principles

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The discussion focuses on finding the derivative of the function f(x) = √(a - bx) from first principles. The user initially attempts to calculate the limit but encounters difficulties with algebraic manipulation, particularly when dealing with radicals. Other participants suggest using the conjugate to simplify the expression and clarify the correct steps for finding the derivative. The final derivative is confirmed to be -b/(2√(a - bx)), and the importance of understanding the domain of f and f' is emphasized. The conversation also touches on using LaTeX for mathematical notation and resources for further assistance.
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Find the derivative from first principles, i.e, from the definition of f ' as a limit, for f(x)= \sqrt{}a-bx, where a and b are positive constants. What are the domains of f and f &#039; ?<br /> <br /> <br /> <h2>The Attempt at a Solution</h2><br /> I solved: <br /> <br /> f(x) = \sqrt{a-bx} ---&gt; f(x+h) = \sqrt{a-b(x+h)}<br /> <br /> lim h--&gt;0 = \sqrt{a-b(x+h)} - \sqrt{a-bx} / h<br /> <br /> lim h--&gt;0 = \sqrt{a-bx+bh-a+bx} / h<br /> <br /> lim h--&gt;0 = \sqrt{bh} / h<br /> <br /> lim h--&gt;0 = \sqrt{bh}* \sqrt{bh} / h\sqrt{bh}<br /> <br /> lim h--&gt;0 = b/ \sqrt{bh}<br /> <br /> What did I do wrong here? <br /> <br /> Please help and thanks
 
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Asian Girl said:
lim h-->0 \frac{\sqrt{a-b(x+h)} - \sqrt{a-bx}}{h}

lim h-->0 \frac{\sqrt{a-bx+bh-a+bx}}{h}

Check this step. The former does not lead to the latter. You cannot "extend" the root from the left expression of the numerator to the right one. Instead, multiply the numerator (and the corresponding denominator) by its conjugate; ie. Conjugate of a+b is a-b and vice versa.
 
hmmm ...

ok then i should do lim f(x) - g(x) = lim f(x) - lim g(x)

= lim sf(a-b(x+h)) * sf(a-b(x+h)/ h sf(a-b(x+h)) * lim sf(a-bx) * sf(a-bx)/ h sf(a-bx)

= lim a-bx+bh / h sf(a-bx+bh) * lim (a-bx) / h sf(a-bx)


I don't know how to cancel h
 
<br /> \frac{\sqrt{a-b(x+h)} - \sqrt{a-bx}}{h}<br />

Try multiplying the numerator by
<br /> \frac{\sqrt{a-b(x+h)} + \sqrt{a-bx}}{\sqrt{a-b(x+h)} + \sqrt{a-bx}}<br />

too hard to read what you wrote... >>
 
too hard to read what you wrote... >>[/QUOTE]


Sorry, i don't know to use those symbols. Would you show me please?
 
Basically, you multiply by the conjugate to remove the radicals in this situation.

For example, (\sqrt{c}+\sqrt{d})(\sqrt{c}-\sqrt{d})=c-d. where (\sqrt{c}-\sqrt{d}) is the conjugate of (\sqrt{c}+\sqrt{d})
 
How do I use square roof symbol please?
 
Asian Girl said:
How do I use square roof symbol please?
\sqrt{} you have to wrap it around "tex" and its end tag "/tex"
 
konthelion said:
\sqrt{} you have to wrap it around "tex" and its end tag "/tex"

That how I did but when I posted it did not show square roof's symbol.
Probably work's computer doesn't allow me to do it.
 
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Here is the thread that introduced latex:

https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=8997

If you click on any latex image you can see the code used. There are a couple of websites where you can practise your code linked to at the end of that thread. The forum has a drop down menu that looks like a capital sigma for adding things in latex.
 
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is this the right answer?

- b
------------------
sf (a-bx) + sf (a-bx)

so the domain of f ' is a-bx > 0
 
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"sf" is square root?

Yes, the derivative of \sqrt{a-bx} is
\frac{-b}{2\sqrt{a-bx}}
just what you have.
 
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Solve for the domain of f, and f' in terms of x. Btw, it's a good thing to know that it is square root and not square "roof" =P
 
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konthelion said:
Solve for the domain of f, and f' in terms of x. Btw, it's a good thing to know that it is square root and not square "roof" =P

my bad... hehehehe ( I've been here just couple months)
Thanks so much all.
 
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