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The discussion revolves around the continuity, directional derivatives, and differentiability of the function f(x,y) = arctan(abs(y)*(y+x^2-1)). Participants are exploring the properties of this function in the context of multivariable calculus.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the continuity of the function, noting that it is composed of continuous functions. There is a focus on the differentiability of the function, particularly at points where y = 0. Questions arise about how to demonstrate non-differentiability at these points, with some participants expressing uncertainty about the logical reasoning behind it.

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The conversation is ongoing, with participants sharing their thoughts on the differentiability of the function at specific points. Some guidance has been offered regarding the nature of the function's differentiability, but there is no explicit consensus on how to demonstrate the non-differentiability at certain points.

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There are mentions of unbalanced parentheses in the function's expression, leading to potential misinterpretations. Participants are also navigating the rules of the forum regarding the level of assistance that can be provided.

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Homework Statement


study the continuity, directional derivatives, and differentiability of the function f(x,y)=arctan(abs(y)*(y+x^2-1)).

The Attempt at a Solution


the function is obviously continuous in R2 since made of continuous functions.

has directional derivatives everywhere since made of functions that has directional derivatives everywhere.

differentiable everywhere exept for (x,0) and here is my biggest doubt: how do i demonstrate that it isn't differentiable there? if i think about it on a logical level, i know these are point where the function isn't smooth, but how do i demonstrate it?

in (+-1,0) its differentiable because for h=x+-1,k=1:
lim(h,k)->(0,0) arctan(abs(k)*(k+h^2+-2h))/(sqrt(h^2+k^2)) goes obviously to 0.
 
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Kenneth1997 said:

Homework Statement


study the continuity, directional derivatives, and differentiability of the function f(x,y)=arctan(abs(y)*(y+x^2-1).

The Attempt at a Solution


the function is obviously continuous in R2 since made of continuous functions.

has directional derivatives everywhere since made of functions that has directional derivatives everywhere.

differentiable everywhere exept for (x,0) and here is my biggest doubt: how do i demonstrate that it isn't differentiable there? if i think about it on a logical level, i know these are point where the function isn't smooth, but how do i demonstrate it?

in (+-1,0) its differentiable because for h=x+-1,k=1:
lim(h,k)->(0,0) arctan(abs(k)*(k+h^2+-2h))/(sqrt(h^2+k^2)) goes obviously to 0.

As written your function has unbalanced parentheses, so could represent either
$$ f = \left(\arctan |y| \right)(y+x^2-1) \hspace{4ex}(1) $$
or
$$f = \arctan(|y|(y+x^2-1)) \hspace{4ex}(2)$$
I suspect you mean (2), but (1) is a perfectly credible way of filling in the missing information.
 
Ray Vickson said:
As written your function has unbalanced parentheses, so could represent either
$$ f = \left(\arctan |y| \right)(y+x^2-1) \hspace{4ex}(1) $$
or
$$f = \arctan(|y|(y+x^2-1)) \hspace{4ex}(2)$$
I suspect you mean (2), but (1) is a perfectly credible way of filling in the missing information.
edited,yep i meant the second
 
Kenneth1997 said:

Homework Statement


study the continuity, directional derivatives, and differentiability of the function f(x,y)=arctan(abs(y)*(y+x^2-1)).

The Attempt at a Solution


the function is obviously continuous in R2 since made of continuous functions.

has directional derivatives everywhere since made of functions that has directional derivatives everywhere.

differentiable everywhere exept for (x,0) and here is my biggest doubt: how do i demonstrate that it isn't differentiable there? if i think about it on a logical level, i know these are point where the function isn't smooth, but how do i demonstrate it?

in (+-1,0) its differentiable because for h=x+-1,k=1:
lim(h,k)->(0,0) arctan(abs(k)*(k+h^2+-2h))/(sqrt(h^2+k^2)) goes obviously to 0.

The "inside" function ##g(x,y) + |y| (y+x^2-1)## can be written as ##g(x,y) = y |y| + (x^2-1) |y|.## The first function--- ##y |y|## --- is differentiable in ##y## (even at ##y = 0##) but the second one --- ##(x^2-1) |y|## --- is not differentiable in ##y## at ##y = 0, x \neq \pm1.## So, your function is differentiable at ##(1,0)## and ##(-1,0)## but not at any other ##(x,0).##
 
Ray Vickson said:
The "inside" function ##g(x,y) + |y| (y+x^2-1)## can be written as ##g(x,y) = y |y| + (x^2-1) |y|.## The first function--- ##y |y|## --- is differentiable in ##y## (even at ##y = 0##) but the second one --- ##(x^2-1) |y|## --- is not differentiable in ##y## at ##y = 0, x \neq \pm1.## So, your function is differentiable at ##(1,0)## and ##(-1,0)## but not at any other ##(x,0).##
but how do i demonstrate it?
 
Kenneth1997 said:
but how do i demonstrate it?
Helpers are not allowed to show you all the details. I have said as much as I can (maybe even more than I should have) under PF rules.
 
Ray Vickson said:
Helpers are not allowed to show you all the details. I have said as much as I can (maybe even more than I should have) under PF rules.
a better understanding should be the goal not solving homework to high schoolers imo. i already demonstrated what you did so i don't think you are showing more then you should have.
 

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