Find the derivative of: 1/1 + e^-x

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The discussion revolves around finding the derivative of the function \( \frac{1}{1 + e^{-x}} \). Participants are exploring different methods for differentiation, including the quotient rule and the power rule, while clarifying the notation and assumptions involved.

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  • Participants discuss the application of the quotient rule and the power rule for differentiation. There are attempts to clarify the function's notation and its implications for the derivative. Some participants question the correctness of their approaches and seek confirmation on their calculations.

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There is an ongoing exploration of different methods to differentiate the function, with some participants providing guidance on the rules of differentiation. Multiple interpretations of the function's notation are being considered, and there is no explicit consensus on the final result yet.

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Some participants express confusion over the notation used for the function, particularly regarding the interpretation of \( \tan^{-1} \) and its implications for differentiation. There are also references to using tools like Mathematica for verification, indicating a reliance on technology for checking work.

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Hi,
Here's my question:
Find the derivative of:
1/1 + e^-x




Here is my attemp, since 1/x=lnx and -x=-1, => ln(1-e^-x)
I don't know if this is right, I would appreciate some guidance.
 
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well i am assuming you meant the following

(\frac{1}{1+e^{-x}})'

you need to apply the quotient rule here, do you know the quotient rule?

here it is in case you have forgotten it:

(\frac{f}{g})'=\frac{f'g-g'f}{g^{2}}
 
Or you can write the function as: (1+e^{-x})^{-1}

And then apply the power rule: \frac{d}{dx} u^n=nu^{n-1} \frac{du}{dx}
 
Ok, using the quotient rule:
f=1
f'=0
g=(1+e^-x)
g'=-e^-x

So we have:

http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/5082/sdfth1nz7.gif

Is that right?


But using the other method I get:
(1+e^-x)^-1
So: (-e^-x) . -1 . (1+e^-x)^-2
inner function is: -e^-x

Which answer do you think is right?

Thank you.
 
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roam said:
\!\(\(0\[Cross]\((1 + e\^\(-x\))\) - \ \(-e\^\(-x\)\ \[Cross]\ 1\)\)\/\((1 + \
e\^\(-x\)\ )\)\^2\)
what on Earth is this?
 
That's
\frac{0\times \left(e^{-x}+1\right)+e^{-x}\times<br /> 1}{\left(e^{-x}+1\right)^2}

roam, next time please use TeXForm and put it between , [/ tex] tags (without the space). And if you have Mathematica anyway, you can use it to check the answer: <br /> FullSimplify[...youranswer... == D[ function, x ]]
 
Thank you Compuchip, I understand it now and by simplifying it we get:
e^-x / (1+e^-x)^2

But I have another question:
http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/1766/xcvdxf1fs3.gif
Let y = tan-1x
Then, Let x = tany
dx/dy = sec2y = 1+tan2y [Trigonometric identity]
Therefore dy/dx = 1/(1+tan2y) = 1/(1+x2)

Am I on the right track?


Thank you. :smile: :smile:
 
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Not really. First of all, \tan^{-1}(\cdots) can mean either 1/\tan(\cdots), so evaluate the tan function and then take its reciprocal. Or it can mean \arctan(\cdots), which is the function such that if you take tan(arctan(x)) you get x back.

Since the derivative of the second one is hard do find by the methods you have been using so far, I'll just assume you meant to write
y = \frac{1}{\tan(\ln x)}
For this, I'd suggest using the chain rule:
u(x) = \tan(\ln x) \qquad\Rightarrow\qquad y = u^{-1}, \frac{dy}{dx} = \left(\frac{dy}{du} \right) \left( \frac{du}{dx} \right).
 
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y = arctan(ln(x))
tan(y) = ln(x)
Use implicit differentiation and solve for dy/dx.
 

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