Find the Derivative/Simplification of 2 Rational Expressions

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The discussion revolves around finding the derivative of the function y = [(2x - 5)^4][(8x^2 - 5)^-3], which involves rational expressions and their simplification.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss their attempts to differentiate the function and express confusion regarding the simplification process shown in Wolfram Alpha's output. There is a focus on understanding how to combine and simplify rational expressions, particularly in relation to finding a common denominator.

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Some participants have provided guidance on factoring and finding a common denominator, while others express their understanding of the steps involved. Multiple interpretations of the simplification process are being explored, but there is no explicit consensus on the final form of the derivative.

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Participants reference the need for knowledge of adding and subtracting rational expressions and the importance of the least common denominator in their calculations. There is an emphasis on the algebraic principles that govern these operations.

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Homework Statement


Find the derivative of:
y = [(2x - 5)^4][(8x^2 - 5)^-3]


Homework Equations


I get:
y' = -[(48x(2x - 5)^4) / (8x^2 - 5)^4] + [(8(2x - 5)^3) / (8x^2 - 5)^3]

Wolfram gets:
http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=derivative+(2x+-+5)^4(8x^2+-+5)^-3


The Attempt at a Solution


I do everything Wolfram does here:
http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=derivative+(2x+-+5)^4(8x^2+-+5)^-3
I just don't know how it simplifies what you see at the bottom (of the "Show Steps" section that is) to get the solution you see at the top.
 
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communitycoll said:
I do everything Wolfram does here:
http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=derivative+(2x+-+5)^4(8x^2+-+5)^-3
I just don't know how it simplifies what you see at the bottom (of the "Show Steps" section that is) to get the solution you see at the top.
You should have learned how to add/subtract rational expressions in algebra. Just like in numerical fractions, you can only add/subtract if the denominators are the same. If they are not, you need to find the LCD (least common denominator) first. What is the LCD in this case?
 
communitycoll said:

Homework Statement


Find the derivative of:
y = [(2x - 5)^4][(8x^2 - 5)^-3]

Homework Equations


I get:
y' = -[(48x(2x - 5)^4) / (8x^2 - 5)^4] + [(8(2x - 5)^3) / (8x^2 - 5)^3]
So
y'= -\frac{48x(2x- 5)^4}{(8x^2- 5)^4}+ \frac{8(2x- 5)^3}{8x^2- 5)^3}

Wolfram gets:
http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=derivative+(2x+-+5)^4(8x^2+-+5)^-3

The Attempt at a Solution


I do everything Wolfram does here:
http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=derivative+(2x+-+5)^4(8x^2+-+5)^-3
I just don't know how it simplifies what you see at the bottom (of the "Show Steps" section that is) to get the solution you see at the top.
You have two fractions, one with denominator (8x^2- 5)^4, the other with denominator (8x^2- 5)^3. You can first simplify the calculation by factoring (2x- 5)^3 out of the numerators and (8x^2- 5)^3 out of the denominators:
\frac{(2x-5)^3}{(8x^2-5)^3}\left(\frac{-48x(2x-5)}{8x^2-5}+ 4\right)
Now, get a common denominator by multiplying that "4" by (8x^2-5)/(8x^2- 5).
\frac{(2x-5)^3}{(8x^2- 5)^3}\left(\frac{-48(x(2x-5)}{8x^2- 5}+ \frac{4(8x^2- 5}{8x^2- 5}\right)
=\frac{(2x-5)^3}{(8x^2- 5)^3}\left(\frac{-96x^2+ 240+ 32x^2- 20}{8x^2- 5}\right)
= \frac{(2x-5)^3}{(8x^2- 5)^3}\left(\frac{220- 64x^2}{8x^2- 5}\right)
 
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Okay then. I understand. Thank you both.
 

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